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73 arrested at Occupy protest

poweRob said:
They were an average age of 79 and in a hoverround and were telling everyone to keep government socialism off their medicare. Not to mention they didn't protest by camping out. They came and went day to day. You couldn't possibly have made a more false comparison.
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It was comparing one protest group against another. What's false about that?
 
poweRob said:
It's fair to say that both OWS and Tea Party had valid points and valid anger. The lengths people go to to demonize the entirety of either just to ignore the message they brought is rather stupid.
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And the message of the OWS is that Wall Street did some bad things.

Okay, we get it and hopefully the Democrat Mayor of New, the Democratic governor of New York State, and the Democratic President of the USA got it too.

They can now stop trashing property, both public and private, and all go home.
 
QUOTE=Catawba;1060313595]No one is asking the rich to be poor. What are you talking about? Are you under the impression there were no rich people when we had progressive taxes? Its simply a matter of economics for those smart enough to understand it like Buffett and the 400 millionaires that petitioned Congress to raise the taxes for the wealthy.
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Yeah, sure. 400 hypocrites.

Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Owes Taxes Going Back To 2002


If too much wealth is concentrated at the top like its now, and was just before the Great Depression, than consumers can't create the demand necessary to stimulate production.
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Is that what you were told caused the great depression?

But you want the rich to have less money, don't you?
 
Grant said:
Unlike the OWS protests there were never any rapes at any Tea Party protest, nor were there ever any mass arrests.

Is the trend now to name the political affiliation of any person suspected of a crime or is this behavior exclusive to San Diego?
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Why are you such a wannabe American Right Winger?
 
Catawba said:
To date, the only Occupy group to issue concrete demands is the Occupy Maine group. Here are their demands:

National Demands

! We demand an end to corporate personhood.
! We demand the removal of private interests from public policy and the instatement of publicly funded elections.
! We demand a progressive tax on the wealthy and the elimination of tax loopholes.
! We demand re-regulation of financial institutions and the prosecution of financial criminals.
! We demand the return of Bank and investment firm bailout money to the People
! We demand an end to capital punishment.
! We demand the restoration of “sound” money and competition in currency.

Local Demands

! We demand affordable heating oil for Mainers.
! We demand bringing the men and women of the Maine National Guard home.
! We demand amending corporate personhood.
! We demand viable public transportation infrastructure.

Occupy Maine Issues Concrete Demands | Irregular Times
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OWS was a joke, is a joke, and continues to be a joke.... the punchline never came, people went home or were arrested and now the joke is old, boring and stupid.

Time for a new joke.
 
Ockham said:
OWS was a joke, is a joke, and continues to be a joke.... the punchline never came, people went home or were arrested and now the joke is old, boring and stupid.

Time for a new joke.
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Perhaps if OWS used recognized means as a way to protest such as boycotting the companies they are targeting rather than the nonsense and chicanery that took place perhaps they would have been taken seriously.
 
Ockham said:
OWS was a joke, is a joke, and continues to be a joke.... the punchline never came, people went home or were arrested and now the joke is old, boring and stupid.

Time for a new joke.
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Perhaps a self-immolation is in order?
 
Grant said:
Unlike the OWS protests there were never any rapes at any Tea Party protest, nor were there ever any mass arrests.

Is the trend now to name the political affiliation of any person suspected of a crime or is this behavior exclusive to San Diego?
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It is par for course when it comes to politics. I am quite certain that if any leader in ows is busted for anything that the media will relate it to ows. They dont call them political scandals for nothing.

At anyrate I was not saying that the two protest groups were on the same level. I only pointed out that the tea party is not full of perfect law abiding people either.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
It is par for course when it comes to politics. I am quite certain that if any leader in ows is busted for anything that the media will relate it to ows. They dont call them political scandals for nothing.
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If DP is any indication, it will somehow be equated to "the entire left." "Everybody that voted for Obama is a Trotskyite rapist!"
 
Connery said:
Perhaps if OWS used recognized means as a way to protest such as boycotting the companies they are targeting rather than the nonsense and chicanery that took place perhaps they would have been taken seriously.
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I think you're right. It could have gone a bunch of different ways. The way it ultimately went through was detrimental and ultimately, the movement and those involved killed it.
 
Muhammed said:
Perhaps a self-immolation is in order?
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They did that already... we saw it happen every night but just didn't know it. About 10% of their message was valuable and worth pursuing - the other 90% was a cross between a carney show and 1960's regurgitated university "sit-in".
 
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Catawba said:
Somewhere along the way you missed the whole wealth inequality issue. If they had wealth to fight with, they wouldn't need to protest against wealth inequality.
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If they didn't give all their money to the wealthy they wouldn't be dealing with the inequality or wealth gap that they are pissed about. You don't need wealth to fight back. You simply just need to stop giving money to corporations. You keep the wealth circulating among the 99% and the gap will close itself.
 
muciti said:
If they didn't give all their money to the wealthy they wouldn't be dealing with the inequality or wealth gap that they are pissed about. You don't need wealth to fight back. You simply just need to stop giving money to corporations. You keep the wealth circulating among the 99% and the gap will close itself.
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many of the folks who are part of the 99%, are quite wealthy.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
It is par for course when it comes to politics. I am quite certain that if any leader in ows is busted for anything that the media will relate it to ows. They dont call them political scandals for nothing.
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No, it is not par for the course when it comes to politics. Since when? Many people are arrested on a daily basis without the media announcing their political affiliations. And this incident was quite separate from any Tea Party protest so it is obviously only a strongly political ploy . It does not compare to the 73 arrested at an actual protest and which is the subject on this thread . The Democrats should avoid any debate about which party has the most convicted felons.
At anyrate I was not saying that the two protest groups were on th e same level. I only pointed out that the tea party is not full of perfect law abiding people either.
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That will be the case with any group and i doubt there would be anyone who would argue otherwise, but certainly proportionality can be looked at.
 
A list of accomplishments in the last 6 months by the Occupy groups across the nation:

"Income Inequality: The 99 Percent movement refocused America’s political debate, forcing news outlets and eventually politicians to focus on rising income inequality. While debt and deficits were the primary focus of the media before the movement started, their attention after the movement began shifted to jobs, Wall Street, and unemployment. By the end of October, even Republicans were talking about income inequality, and a week later, Time Magazine devoted its cover to the topic, asking, “Can you still move up in America?”

Occupy Our Homes: The movement has drawn attention to many of the predatory, discriminatory, and fraudulent practices perpetrated by banks during the foreclosure crisis, and across the country, Occupy groups, religious leaders, and community organizations have helped homeowners prevent wrongful foreclosures on their homes. Activists in Detroit are working to save their fifth home, and similar actions have taken place in cities like Minneapolis, Los Angeles, Cleveland, and Atlanta. The movement has drawn so much attention that local political leaders and even members of Congress have stepped in to help homeowners facing foreclosure.

Move Your Money: On Bank Transfer Day, activists helped more than 40,000 Americans move their money from large banks to credit unions, and more than 650,000 switched to credit unions last October. Religious groups have taken up the cause as well, moving $55 million before Thanksgiving. This year, a San Francisco interfaith group moved $10 million from Wells Fargo and other groups marked Lent by moving more money from Wall Street. As a result, analysts say the nation’s 10 biggest banks could lose $185 billion in customer deposits this year “due to customer defections.”

Fighting For Positive Policies: Occupy groups have pushed for positive policy outcomes at both the state and federal levels. Occupy The SEC submitted a 325-page comment letter on the Volcker Rule, a regulation to rein in big banks. Pressure from protesters forced New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) to reverse his opposition to a millionaire’s tax, and activists fought Indiana Republicans’ union-busting “right-to-work” law, and have pushed big banks to stop financing destructive environmental practices like mountaintop removal mining in coal states.

Though many of the camps across the country have been disbanded, the 99 Percent Movement isn’t going away. Organizers have continued fighting at the state level, pushing back against banks on fraudulent foreclosures and other issues, and have now turned their attention to the 2012 presidential elections. Movement leaders in New York, meanwhile, are developing high-tech ways to organize protests and keep the movement going. Occupy is starting to assert a political influence, pushing multiple candidates and even running for office themselves — in both Maine and Pennsylvania, former Occupy activists are running for public office.

“It’s changed the language,” one protester told the Wall Street Journal. “It’s brought out a lot of issues that people are talking about. … And that’s the start of change.”
BeyondChron: San Francisco's Alternative Online Daily News » After Six Months, a Look at What Occupy Wall Street Has Accomplished
 
Thunder said:
how is calling you a right-winger, a personal attack?
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It was the American part which he felt was the insult because he is not American..

Calling me a left winger would have been quite offensive and he kindly avoided that. I would be proud to be an American, of course. but am instead proud to be Canadian.
 
Grant said:
No, it is not par for the course when it comes to politics. Since when? Many people are arrested on a daily basis without the media announcing their political affiliations. And this incident was quite separate from any Tea Party protest so it is obviously only a strongly political ploy . It does not compare to the 73 arrested at an actual protest and which is the subject on this thread . The Democrats should avoid any debate about which party has the most convicted felons.


That will be the case with any group and i doubt there would be anyone who would argue otherwise, but certainly proportionality can be looked at.
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Oh yea the Republican and Democrat rhetoric. Heres my point the Tea Party is not better than the occupy movement. The Tea party promotes radical crap and so does OWS. What it boils down too is Either theocracy or Communism. Both groups insist that everyone should do what they say. So crying about who gets arrested more at their protests is just slitting hairs.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Oh yea the Republican and Democrat rhetoric. Heres my point the Tea Party is not better than the occupy movement. The Tea party promotes radical crap and so does OWS.
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What "radical crap" are you referring to?

The Tea Party wants responsible government and the OWS want honesty on Wall Street. Neither is crap. What´s in dispute is how they get their messages across.
What it boils down too is Either theocracy or Communism.
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I rather doubt that. Certainly there is room in the middle.

Both groups insist that everyone should do what they say. So crying about who gets arrested more at their protests is just slitting hairs.
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It's a democracy and people are voicing their opinions, as is their right. That's all part of free speech and the democratic process.

While you call it "splitting hairs" it is just people participating in public debate, which is why we area all here. But having said all that it's clear that the OWS protesters are juvenile loons.
 
Grant said:
What "radical crap" are you referring to?

The Tea Party wants responsible government and the OWS want honesty on Wall Street. Neither is crap. What´s in dispute is how they get their messages across.


I rather doubt that. Certainly there is room in the middle.



It's a democracy and people are voicing their opinions, as is their right. That's all part of free speech and the democratic process.

While you call it "splitting hairs" it is just people participating in public debate, which is why we area all here. But having said all that it's clear that the OWS protesters are juvenile loons.
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So the 73 that got arrested were engaging in public debate?
 
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