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Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

Yes, I know within 6 years, we killed zero Afghan civilians over there and we've not had the first civilian killed here by an Afghan. Thank you for proving my point.

The numbers of civilians we killed in Iraq were even greater, and we had no Iraqi attacks on civilians here.


The Reason the US went to Afghanistan was because of 9-11, where some 3400 civillians were killed in the US. The same outrage felt by Afghanistans about the 16 people killed by a rogue US soldier, was felt by the West, for 9-11, for the 3400 civillian deaths.

How much has the US spent to keep civillians safe from terrorist acts? No Fly lists, screening luggage, searching airline passengers, improving aircraft and airport security?

The Taliban had no idea that Al Qaida was planning civillian deaths in the West? You are claiming that the Taliban and no Afghans assisted Al Qaida in any way with 9-11? Afghanistan was a haven for anti-Western terrorist groups, leading up to 9-11.

Afghanistan has been a source of Opium and Marijuana, and has resulted in drug overdose deaths in the US. The drug trade invites violence in the distribution process of drugs. Afghanistan is a central core of violence in the West.


"2000 - causes of death - illicit drug use) "Illicit drug use is associated with suicide, homicide, motor-vehicle injury, HIV infection, pneumonia, violence, mental illness, and hepatitis. An estimated 3 million individuals in the United States have serious drug problems. Several studies have reported an undercount of the number of deaths attributed to drugs by vital statistics; however, improved medical treatments have reduced mortality from many diseases associated with illicit drug use. In keeping with the report by McGinnis and Foege, we included deaths caused indirectly by illicit drug use in this category. We used attributable fractions to compute the number of deaths due to illicit drug use. Overall, we estimate that illicit drug use resulted in approximately 17000 deaths in 2000, a reduction of 3000 deaths from the 1990 report."

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30




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The Reason the US went to Afghanistan was because of 9-11, where some 3400 civillians were killed in the US. The same outrage felt by Afghanistans about the 16 people killed by a rogue US soldier, was felt by the West, for 9-11, for the 3400 civillian deaths.
I think the Afghans feel outraged about all of the 17-37,000 civilian deaths this war has cost, never mind the combatant deaths. Estimates that the US-led military forces account for between 20-39% of those civilian deaths, you can see that they have every bit as much reason to be angry at the West as the West has to be angry at Al Qaeda.
 
I think the Afghans feel outraged about all of the 17-37,000 civilian deaths this war has cost, never mind the combatant deaths. Estimates that the US-led military forces account for between 20-39% of those civilian deaths, you can see that they have every bit as much reason to be angry at the West as the West has to be angry at Al Qaeda.

The Afgan people should be angry at the Taleban for not turning over OBL when they had the chance.
 
I think the Afghans feel outraged about all of the 17-37,000 civilian deaths this war has cost, never mind the combatant deaths. Estimates that the US-led military forces account for between 20-39% of those civilian deaths, you can see that they have every bit as much reason to be angry at the West as the West has to be angry at Al Qaeda.

Maybe the US would have been wiser not to arm Afghans against the Russians, and to have let Russia deal with Afghanistan.

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So whats the punishment he gets for killing 16 people? Probably free food and lodging.
 
I don't know the personal reasons of members in Congress, I was taking about liberal in general. What I do know is that a lot of the anti lybian action rabble came from democrats in Congress. I suggest you read more about just war theory.


I am very familiar with "just war theory", Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, Kuwait, etc, personally. Liberals in "General", "no war for oil" is simply dependent to them based on who's in the oval office.


Im don't know what gs scale means. however, I do know that "fringe" benefits are becoming a larger share of the DoDs budget and things need to change. I say start with those who are going to retire within the next 10 years, and alter some befits of those who are retired first. For instance, collecting military pension prior to the retirement age (a 38 year old who collects full 20 retirement for instance).

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YOu are in the military and you don't know the civillans working for the military that **** all your **** up get paid on a "GS scale"? Perhaps you should read up, Obama doesn't want to triple thier tri-care co-pays.....

I agree some of it needs restructuring, starting at the bottom and exempting civillians, is the wrong action. Furthermore, you see combat, You get free healthcare for life - no co-pay -no service level adjustment -no requrment the medical service is service related. not that I need it, I do very well for myself, but I have many a brother and sister, who would benefit greatly. If they want to send us to war, they need to pay for it.
 
I am very familiar with "just war theory", Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, Kuwait, etc, personally. Liberals in "General", "no war for oil" is simply dependent to them based on who's in the oval office.






YOu are in the military and you don't know the civillans working for the military that **** all your **** up get paid on a "GS scale"? Perhaps you should read up, Obama doesn't want to triple thier tri-care co-pays.....

I agree some of it needs restructuring, starting at the bottom and exempting civillians, is the wrong action. Furthermore, you see combat, You get free healthcare for life - no co-pay -no service level adjustment -no requrment the medical service is service related. not that I need it, I do very well for myself, but I have many a brother and sister, who would benefit greatly. If they want to send us to war, they need to pay for it.

Im terrible with acronyms. AFAIK civilians are having their Co pay go up as well since I heard a couple bitching about it. And I did specifically say non war related "fringe" benefits should be the first to be adjusted.

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Im terrible with acronyms. AFAIK civilians are having their Co pay go up as well since I heard a couple bitching about it. And I did specifically say non war related "fringe" benefits should be the first to be adjusted.

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Look up, in the article i provided it states that no, their co-pays will be untouched.
 
Stop shifting the goal posts, the bottom line is that the vast majority of civilian casualties in both Iraq and Afghanistan have been at the hands of the insurgents not the U.S. military.

That happened because of our war there, in addition to the thousands of civilians we have killed in our war there, vs zero American civilians killed here by Afghans.
 
The Reason the US went to Afghanistan was because of 9-11, where some 3400 civillians were killed in the US.

By Saudis, not afghans, not Iraqis, but Saudis.


The same outrage felt by Afghanistans about the 16 people killed by a rogue US soldier, was felt by the West, for 9-11, for the 3400 civillian deaths.

Well, we have killed thousands more innocent civilians in countries that never attacked us, did that assuage your outrage???

The Taliban had no idea that Al Qaida was planning civillian deaths in the West? You are claiming that the Taliban and no Afghans assisted Al Qaida in any way with 9-11? Afghanistan was a haven for anti-Western terrorist groups, leading up to 9-11.

Terrorists are spread out all over the world. We could have handled them a lot more effectively like we did with Bin Laden than we did with a large ground troop presence and killing thousands of civilians and thereby turning sympathies further towards the Taliban.


Afghanistan has been a source of Opium and Marijuana, and has resulted in drug overdose deaths in the US. The drug trade invites violence in the distribution process of drugs. Afghanistan is a central core of violence in the West.


"2000 - causes of death - illicit drug use) "Illicit drug use is associated with suicide, homicide, motor-vehicle injury, HIV infection, pneumonia, violence, mental illness, and hepatitis. An estimated 3 million individuals in the United States have serious drug problems. Several studies have reported an undercount of the number of deaths attributed to drugs by vital statistics; however, improved medical treatments have reduced mortality from many diseases associated with illicit drug use. In keeping with the report by McGinnis and Foege, we included deaths caused indirectly by illicit drug use in this category. We used attributable fractions to compute the number of deaths due to illicit drug use. Overall, we estimate that illicit drug use resulted in approximately 17000 deaths in 2000, a reduction of 3000 deaths from the 1990 report."

Annual Causes of Death in the United States | Drug War Facts

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And you think our placement of a corrupt central government in a country mainly ruled by tribal laws for 10,000 years is going to have any lasting effect???

We are just contributing to the deaths there, both of Afghans and Coalition forces, and pissing off the Afghans in the process, and spending ourselves into bankruptcy. Where are all those who thought we need to reduce our deficit spending???
 
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Eddie Slovik, you are about to have company.
 
By Saudis, not afghans, not Iraqis, but Saudis.

No by members of an international organization comprised of radical Muslims known as al-Qaeda which was part of the Taliban government and military and which recruited for, planned for, trained for, financed from, and launched from numerous attacks against the U.S. out of Afghanistan.
 
That happened because of our war there, in addition to the thousands of civilians we have killed in our war there, vs zero American civilians killed here by Afghans.


Um no they started this war by intentionally killing 3,000 of our civilians, the war in Afghanistan is a defensive war on the part of the U.S. and they were the aggressors, you can throw in that "Afghan" bit, but it's laughable, because AQ is an international organization and AQ was a member of the Taliban government and military having a seat on their ministry of defense and forming their 055 Brigade.
 
No by members of an international organization comprised of radical Muslims known as al-Qaeda which was part of the Taliban government and military and which recruited for, planned for, trained for, financed from, and launched from numerous attacks against the U.S. out of Afghanistan.

al Qaeda are located all over the world. Are you planning decade long wars, killing thousand of innocent civilians, in all of these countries:

Al-Qaeda around the world

What has our war on Afghanistan and Iraq done to make us safe from terrorist attacks in the future???
 
al Qaeda are located all over the world. Are you planning decade long wars, killing thousand of innocent civilians, in all of these countries:

AQ wasn't operating clandestinely out of Afghanistan they were there with the full knowledge and protection of the Taliban government, they were a part of the Taliban government and military sitting on the Taliban's ministry of defense and forming their 055 Brigade and they had launched numerous attacks against the U.S. out of Afghanistan and the Taliban continued to grant them safe haven up to and even after the 9-11 attacks.
 
AQ wasn't operating clandestinely out of Afghanistan they were there with the full knowledge and protection of the Taliban government, they were a part of the Taliban government and military sitting on the Taliban's ministry of defense and forming their 055 Brigade and they had launched numerous attacks against the U.S. out of Afghanistan and the Taliban continued to grant them safe haven up to and even after the 9-11 attacks.

055 Brigade, Wiki

055 Brigade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I just saw on the news that the soldier who murdered 16 Afghans is on a plane and headed back to the USA.
 
I just saw on the news that the soldier who murdered 16 Afghans is on a plane and headed back to the USA.


"The U.S. military flew the soldier suspected of killing 16 Afghan villagers to another country Wednesday for long-term detention, a Pentagon official said"

U.S. military flies shooting suspect out of Afghanistan


The assailant may be suicidal. Seems like it would have been better PR to keep the assailant in Afghanistan.




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al Qaeda are located all over the world. Are you planning decade long wars, killing thousand of innocent civilians, in all of these countries:

Al-Qaeda around the world

What has our war on Afghanistan and Iraq done to make us safe from terrorist attacks in the future???

Those who are terrorists or who are sympathetic to Islamic terrorists are being watched or killed. There have have been attempts at further terrorist acts but they were not successful, at least in the USA and Canada. This certainly goes a long way in keeping innocent people safe into the future.

The alternative is to do nothing and let the Islamists carry on with their terrorism. Would that be your choice?
 
AQ wasn't operating clandestinely out of Afghanistan they were there with the full knowledge and protection of the Taliban government, they were a part of the Taliban government and military sitting on the Taliban's ministry of defense and forming their 055 Brigade and they had launched numerous attacks against the U.S. out of Afghanistan and the Taliban continued to grant them safe haven up to and even after the 9-11 attacks.

What do you think our decade long war is going to do to prevent the same conditions to occur once we leave? And what about the al Qaeda in other countries around the world? Are we going to have decade long wars in each of those countries as well?

What was the decade long war with Iraq, the one country without al Qaeda, all about???

Bin Laden said they would defeat America, not on the battlefield, but by draining our financial resources fighting endless war. It appears there are some that are determined to prove his prediction correct.
 
Those who are terrorists or who are sympathetic to Islamic terrorists are being watched or killed. There have have been attempts at further terrorist acts but they were not successful, at least in the USA and Canada. This certainly goes a long way in keeping innocent people safe into the future.

The alternative is to do nothing and let the Islamists carry on with their terrorism. Would that be your choice?

I agree with what the Rand Corp suggested to deal with terrorism, and it is basically what you just stated we should do, "Those who are terrorists or who are sympathetic to Islamic terrorists are being watched or killed."

Rand Corp -- War On Terrorism Is A Failure.
 
What do you think our decade long war is going to do to prevent the same conditions to occur once we leave? And what about the al Qaeda in other countries around the world? Are we going to have decade long wars in each of those countries as well?

What was the decade long war with Iraq, the one country without al Qaeda, all about???

Bin Laden said they would defeat America, not on the battlefield, but by draining our financial resources fighting endless war. It appears there are some that are determined to prove his prediction correct.

no one cares about bin laden,hes dead,and im sure what we killed was his lokkalike because no man suffers extreme kidney failure and live over a decade getting better with the years,in a country with no good hospitals.

terrorists strategy is propoganda,they fight through fear and only win if we get scared,their own countries they use fear and propoganda to turn the locals against us.

this is why ive said many times treat them like our best friends but treat them like our worst enemies.every stupid thing we do al quaeda has on aljazeera minutes later.

btw if youve never seen al jazeera its like fox news,but without the lies but also with decapitation.whatever happens that station shows good or bad and the afghan people arent gonna back a foreign government that the veiw as hostile,rather than friend.this is the terrorists true attack strategy,to turn the eople against us and incite fear,terrorism itself means to terrorize.

we initiated the hearts and minds strategy after the end of the bush era,right about the same time iraq turned around.however obamas actions in pakistan and with arab spring support as well as drone attacks that attack civilians obama effectively destroyed any progress made from almost a decade of war.

should we back out yes,should we have had to yes but with correct strategy we would have left winners not losers,where as now we will back out as losers much like vietnam,maybe obamas administration should have read history,they would have seen our biggest flaw in vietnam was the president and congress running the war instead of the generals.
 
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