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Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

I have never once condoned terrorism, no matter the flag under which it is done.

"Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore" - John Prine
I complimented you. Im sure you will be as direct and confrontational ANY time some one here offers some weak excuse for the acts and actions of terrorists.
 
Help? A dogs death via bullet to the skull in the street is help enough. The poor thing! He hated Muslims and afghans so much he slaughtered families in their sleep with US military property. If he was killing Americans you'd want him deep fried. He's killing afghans and he is merely further on the slope that finds them less than human as you. The mufti should have his head on a stick.

If death is what the sentence is, that is his payment. Hasan killed American's and you won't find me saying he's not part of the military any longer either.... even though he probably should have been kicked out as people KNEW about him and were afraid to say anything.
 
I have never once condoned terrorism, no matter the flag under which it is done.

"Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore" - John Prine


I'm sure your just as vocal in all situations.
 

My heart goes out the innocent people murdered by an unstable American solider.

I understand that Obama has apologized.

Let this being a teaching moment, and spend some more time and possibly money safe-guarding the mental health of those who sacrifice so much for this country.
 
If death is what the sentence is, that is his payment. Hasan killed American's and you won't find me saying he's not part of the military any longer either.... even though he probably should have been kicked out as people KNEW about him and were afraid to say anything.

i can agrre with that,people knew he was crazy but wouldnt say nothing because he was an officer,probably the same case with this ssg,question is do we blame the soldier who went crazy or the military who was told he was crazy but ignored military sop to meet a quota?
 
I'll reserve judgement. It just sounded strange to me, to do something entirely irrational and then something completely rational within minutes rang alarms.

People do it all the time: mental imbalance isn't a 100% constant.
 
As matter of law this will not happen.

No, but it should. I'm imagining the reaction here if a foreign soldier in the United States (and they are here all the time on training exercises) murdered 16 American women and children and his government insisted he could only be tried there.
 
I think it was a smart thing for Obama to have apologized to Karzai, if for no other reason to try and prevent a backlash to US and Nato soldiers.

Some idiots will try and use this stupid crime to stir up anti-US feelings in Afghanistan, in an attempt to make sure more US soldiers will be attacked and killed.
 
Do we have rules to defend Americans?

Isn't it understood we are on the American side?
What rules do you need to defend American troops?


I simply do not get it ... you are with Americans and you defend them or you are not! Period!

So your position is that American troops are to be defended, no matter what they do? What a sad, sick outlook on things. Murdering women and children in cold blood is defensible if an American soldier does it? God help us all.
 
I think it was a smart thing for Obama to have apologized to Karzai, if for no other reason to try and prevent a backlash to US and Nato soldiers.
Which time?
 
I complimented you. Im sure you will be as direct and confrontational ANY time some one here offers some weak excuse for the acts and actions of terrorists.

I haven't seen anyone defending any acts of terrorism by extremists. But there are some that defend acts of terrorism if they are done under our flag.
 
I haven't seen anyone defending any acts of terrorism by extremists. But there are some that defend acts of terrorism if they are done under our flag.
I'd say from your words that you suffer from a severe case of myopia.
 
Which time?

I would like to think this instance was a good moment to apologize when a US soldier goes into a village and murders 9 children and 3 women, as said, if only to try and ensure this does not escalate.
 
I'd say from your words that you suffer from a severe case of myopia.

If that is how you describe someone that doesn't place Nationalism above ethics and moral behavior.
 
I would like to think this instance was a good moment to apologize when a US soldier goes into a village and murders 9 children and 3 women, as said, if only to try and ensure this does not escalate.

It was appropriate at this time, I just get confused as to which apology...
 
It was appropriate at this time, I just get confused as to which apology...

I was not aware he went around apologizing all the time, to be honest, I am not sure he has apologized that much to begin with.
 
Because Bush didnt leave Obama an exit plan and strategy, nor did he have a prepositioned out agreement as they had in Iraq. They tried the 'surge'...now? I truly believe the reason we arent out is that Obama simply doesnt KNOW what to do. And really...he cant win. If we stay...more of the same. If we leave, republicans will rip him for 'retreating' or surrendering.

This ALL should have been resolved under Bush. People dont like specific dates...horse****. We should have committed to post war + 5-7 years tops and then turned everything over to them.

I booo that comment.
 
I was not aware he went around apologizing all the time, to be honest, I am not sure he has apologized that much to begin with.

He does a fair amount.

Here's a top 10 but there are other top 10 lists out there.

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Obama’s Legacy of Smarmy Apologies « vermontverse
 
OK, time for the truth :rolleyes:

Massacres and rapes are a necessary reality in any war. Some of them occur for legitimate military reasons (i. e. the civilian in question is suspected of aiding the enemy in some way), and some of them occur simply because there's no one "policing" the war.

It's totally naive to believe that the incident described here is an exception to the rule. In war, these massacres are far more commonplace than the times they're actually exposed to global media coverage. It's reasonable to expect that US troops massacre civilians and rape kids every day, just as the Taliban or other competing Afghan factions do, simply because that's what happens in war, regardless of the parties involved.

The notion that this kind of thing is a rare occurrence is just more propoganda from uncle sam to appease the ignorant (childish) American public.

That being said, if one is unwilling to accept these massacres as a cost of a war, i. e. if one doesn't believe that the importance of the mission of the war outweighs these kinds of brutalities (rapes, massacres, tortures, corpse urinations), then the war should not be started, period.

Since the war in Afghanistan has no meaningful mission at all (except possibly to create a government that will allow American firms to mine and exploit Afghanistan's natural resources and labor), its benefits clearly do not out weight its brutal costs. Therefore, the war should be terminated.

Unfortunately, since the US is not a democracy, the American people have no say in that.
 
Nothing short of a death penalty is justified for this savagery.

U.S. News - Soldier accused in Afghan massacre could get death penalty

And the caution not to put all American soldiers in the same bag...


Still, Lilyea cautioned that people should not rush to blame the killings on the soldier’s deployments during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"I’d wait to see if he really was in a position that would have affected him in this way," Lilyea said. "But I’m more concerned people will try to use this like they did after Vietnam with the My Lai massacre and taint all combat veterans of this generation as if they were like this one guy." Millions of Americans have served in combat, seen and done "terrible things," but have gone on to normal productive lives after their service, Lilyea pointed out.
 
Nothing short of a death penalty is justified for this savagery.

U.S. News - Soldier accused in Afghan massacre could get death penalty

Anyone caught speeding in the Indy 500 should also get the death penalty.
 
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