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Official: U.S. soldier opened fire on Afghan civilians

Alright, since nothing you said here actually addresses my argument, none of the claims you made in this post about what I said are actually things I said, and you're clearly trolling at this point, this discussion is over.

So hop on a flight and head on over to FOB Sharanna. I'll show you around, even bring you to our Battalion horseshoe where our Battalion TOC is. You can scream and yell at all the brass and Sergeant Majors you want. Get in their face, spit and scream until your horse, because I'm sure some pea-body from teh interwebz who's only source of theater activity is whatever biased bull**** CNN or Fox decides to report knows a hell of a lot better then several experienced commanders.

Here comes StillBallin to save the day!
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jerry isnt being unreasonable on troop movements.most require 6 months preparation to deploy excluding rapidly deployable units,my unit pretty much built a new camp in afghanistan daisy chained off an old one,and it pretty much takes a good three months working day and night to unpack everything in a permanent operating base.this isnt early war where we just drive around in trucks unpack a few tents and a generator,stay a week pack it up in an hour and move on.we have connexs dining facilities motor pools office supplies untold amounts af vehicles,and none of which can be quickly moved.


i was incharge of customs and borders when my unit left afghanistan.leaving country took about 3 months of packing,and thats with us leaving 80% of what we brought so the new unit taking over wouldnt have to halt missions for 3 months so they could unpack and setup.flights get delayed shipments get delayed,infact nearly all of our mail was 1-2 months behind from transport,some smaller fobs were 6 months behind on mail because of the difficulty of transporting it without being blown up.
 
So hop on a flight and head on over to FOB Sharanna. I'll show you around, even bring you to our Battalion horseshoe where our Battalion TOC is. You can scream and yell at all the brass and Sergeant Majors you want. Get in their face, spit and scream until your horse, because I'm sure some pea-body from teh interwebz who's only source of theater activity is whatever biased bull**** CNN or Fox decides to report knows a hell of a lot better then several experienced commanders.

Someone piss in your cornflakes this morning? Here is what I ACTUALLY said:

The reason we aren't withdrawing as quickly as most Americans would like is because of the fear that a quick withdrawal would lead to chaos when it comes to the stability and security of the country. It is not a matter of ability.

Here is what YOU SAY I said:

The reason we aren't withdrawing as quickly as most Americans would like is because US military personnel in Afghanistan are lazy.

I can't make the fact that you are building a straw man any clearer than that.
 
Too bad the the Libs and the MSM didn't have the same sympathy during the aftermath of the Fort Hood shooting. They could care less about thoise victims and families. Their main concern was to downplay the fact that the shooter was a radical Muslim.
LOL, what?
 
This sounds like a dreadful incident. My concern about the story stems from this passage from the BBC report:



A breakdown during a time of war amongst serving personnel is not uncommon. The problem is that to suffer a breakdown, a loss of critical faculties and going on a rampage while one's mind is malfunctioning does not seem to mesh with having the foresight and sang-froid to ensure one hands oneself into one's own side. That strikes me as pre-meditated and extremely rational behaviour.

Are we dealing here with criminal actions or criminally insane actions?

We are dealing with a terrorist. He should be treated as such.
 
So hop on a flight and head on over to FOB Sharanna. I'll show you around, even bring you to our Battalion horseshoe where our Battalion TOC is. You can scream and yell at all the brass and Sergeant Majors you want. Get in their face, spit and scream until your horse, because I'm sure some pea-body from teh interwebz who's only source of theater activity is whatever biased bull**** CNN or Fox decides to report knows a hell of a lot better then several experienced commanders.

Here comes StillBallin to save the day!
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you have sharanna,do they still have 20,000 people and only one aafes,ive never been but everyone who came from there raided our aafes in marmal as well as bagram and was taking tuff boxs back with them filled with cigarettes etc.
 
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Too bad the the Libs and the MSM didn't have the same sympathy during the aftermath of the Fort Hood shooting. They could care less about thoise victims and families. Their main concern was to downplay the fact that the shooter was a radical Muslim.

Who should of been removed from the military when he tried to get out due to a conflict of conscious

Damn straight. Where was the apology for the colonel killed for us burning a ****ing book? **** those people. They kill us, we kill them. It's the game of life.

It's funny, when Afgan civilians kill US soldiers, that's no big deal, that's ok. But when US soldiers kill Afgan civilians (remember, Afghanistan has no military) an apology is required. I say lets get the **** out that **** hole.

part of American Execptionalism is its ability to admit fault and trying to take the moral high ground.

This sounds like a dreadful incident. My concern about the story stems from this passage from the BBC report:



A breakdown during a time of war amongst serving personnel is not uncommon. The problem is that to suffer a breakdown, a loss of critical faculties and going on a rampage while one's mind is malfunctioning does not seem to mesh with having the foresight and sang-froid to ensure one hands oneself into one's own side. That strikes me as pre-meditated and extremely rational behaviour.

Are we dealing here with criminal actions or criminally insane actions?

You don't know much about ptsd do you?

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We are dealing with a terrorist. He should be treated as such.
No! I told you...NONE of that! You should not excuse and justify his behaviors like a terrorist. What he did is criminal and should be treated accordingly not justified because of his religious upbringing, faith, assault on his morality, etc. No! Bad!
 
jerry isnt being unreasonable on troop movements.most require 6 months preparation to deploy excluding rapidly deployable units,my unit pretty much built a new camp in afghanistan daisy chained off an old one,and it pretty much takes a good three months working day and night to unpack everything in a permanent operating base.this isnt early war where we just drive around in trucks unpack a few tents and a generator,stay a week pack it up in an hour and move on.we have connexs dining facilities motor pools office supplies untold amounts af vehicles,and none of which can be quickly moved.


i was incharge of customs and borders when my unit left afghanistan.leaving country took about 3 months of packing,and thats with us leaving 80% of what we brought so the new unit taking over wouldnt have to halt missions for 3 months so they could unpack and setup.flights get delayed shipments get delayed,infact nearly all of our mail was 1-2 months behind from transport,some smaller fobs were 6 months behind on mail because of the difficulty of transporting it without being blown up.

I'd like to add to that, whenever we are packed up and moving, literally leaving the country, we're attacked, and that only slows everything down even further because now there's injured people, damaged equipment to recover, and OMG the paperwork for one minor incident can take a PltSGT 8 hours to finalize. Never mind if EOD has to be called, if another military is also involved or civilian Local Nationals in the convoy.
 
you have sharanna,do they still have 20,000 people and only one aafes,ive never been but everyone who came from there raided our aafes in marmal as well as bagram and was taking tuff boxs back with them filled with cigarettes etc.

There's 2 now, and they're both quite nice by Army standards. StillBallin can get a full meal in before telling all those know-nothing high-ranking commanders what'frr.
 
There's 2 now, and they're both quite nice by Army standards. StillBallin can get a full meal in before telling all those know-nothing high-ranking commanders what'frr.

lucky my fob had around 3000 american troops when i left plus german swedish and croatian troops.we didnt even have an aafes until around 4 months before we left,before that we had to use the overpriced german and norwegian px.the only thing we had going for us was european name brand cigarettes for about 10 eur a carton.
 
Thoughts and prayers to everyone involved especially the victims families. Also praying that the soldier who did this gets the help he needs.
 
Is that what is known as American exceptionalism? I guess it's the prerogative of an invading superpower, no?

U.S. military personnel are under U.S. military jurisdiction, the day any U.S. citizen comes under the jurisdiction of Sharia law is the day that this country is no longer worth fighting for.
 
No! I told you...NONE of that! You should not excuse and justify his behaviors like a terrorist. What he did is criminal and should be treated accordingly not justified because of his religious upbringing, faith, assault on his morality, etc. No! Bad!

Just treating him exactly the same as if it was an Afghan or a Muslim that went crazy against US troops/citizens.
 
Just treating him exactly the same as if it was an Afghan or a Muslim that went crazy against US troops/citizens.
No no no. It will not do for you and others to excuse and justify his behaviors like you would the terrorists. This is his actions, his fault, and he should be dealt with accordingly.
 
No no no. It will not do for you and others to excuse and justify his behaviors like you would the terrorists. This is his actions, his fault, and he should be dealt with accordingly.

No one is excusing or justifying his behaviors... All I am saying is that he should be treated and charged as a terrorist because what he did is no different than someone blowing themselves up in a bus.

Chances of that happening... small, unless he is thrown to the wolves to save the rest of the US forces.

And reports are coming out it was not one guy, but several.... which if true... is a whole other ball game.
 
And has Karzai apologized for the killings of Coalition soldiers? Nope.
Karzai is supposed to apologize for the Taliban?
I think it's high time that Obama pulled a JFK and Ngo Dinh Diem this prick.
Yeah...that turned out well...
 
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It wasn't just Taliban rioting and killing over the Koran burning.

The Islamists won't apologize because they believe it to be a weakness. Barack Obama apologizes regularly and claims its a strength.

I'd say the Islamists know their culture better than does Barrack Obama.
 
This is not a failure of our military. This is a "**** happens" kinda thing. It's tragic, but the truth is these things will happen in war and nothing we do will change that.


I agree with Redress.
 
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