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buck said:
I think you missed the point. I understand your reasoning and rational that led you to your specific opinion. Not everyone shares your opinion and obviously used different reasonaing and rational to reach their opinion. Your opinion is not any more correct then mine, no matter how much you want to pretend that it is.
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Maybe and maybe not. All opinions are not equal. All reasoning is not equal. Now, we can both declare how ours is better, but we can never show it by showing a poll.
 
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whysoserious said:
...and apparently most liberals think like I do. . . Am I missing something?
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Occasionally, when one least expects it, a liberal swerves into the truth.
 
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buck said:
It may surprise you to learn, others, and apaprently a majority based on the poll that someone posted, disagree with you.
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Here is another poll... This one from a Public Religion Research Institute:
A new Public Religion Research Institute poll released yesterday—which was done in partnership with Religion News Service—found that a majority (56 percent) of Americans do not believe that the right of religious liberty is being threatened in America today. Even worse for the right: A majority of Catholics (57 percent) and independents (58 percent) do not view Obama’s contraception mandate for religiously affiliated institutions as an infringement on religious liberty.

They are also losing on the key argument of the GOP, led by superstar Senator Marco Rubio: that religiously affiliated institutions should have the same protections as churches. PRRI’s chief executive, Dr. Robert P. Jones, told me, “Americans do believe that churches are special.
There is no demographic that thinks that churches should be required to [provide contraception].
But a majority of Americans and Catholics continue to think religiously affiliated institutions should be required to cover birth control with no cost.”
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Poll: Majority Don
 
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Boo Radley said:
Maybe and maybe not. All opinions are not equal. All reasoning is not equal. Now, we can both declare how ours is better, but we can never show it by showing a poll.
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I realize that you think your reasoning and opinion is better. Bully for you.

In the meantime, the courts have found time and time again that people that work for religious institutions can be covered under a different set of rules then those employees that work for a secular institution. They have afforded the religious institutions the ability to set rules based on their beliefs.
 
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minnie616 said:
Here is another poll... This one from a Public Religion Research Institute:


Poll: Majority Don
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Can you find the sample for that survey? I know they asked party affiliation, but I don't see any numbers in the methodolgy of the sample.
 
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minnie616 said:
Here is another poll... This one from a Public Religion Research Institute:


Poll: Majority Don
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Really, you're using the Daily Beast? Do you believe that they are objective?


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Really, you're using the Daily Beast? Do you believe that they are objective?


j-mac
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Says the guy who used Conservapedia as a source :lamo :lamo
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Says the guy who used Conservapedia as a source :lamo :lamo
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And it was mocked as it should have been, are you saying that Minie's source should be mocked?

j-mac
 
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buck said:
I realize that you think your reasoning and opinion is better. Bully for you.

In the meantime, the courts have found time and time again that people that work for religious institutions can be covered under a different set of rules then those employees that work for a secular institution. They have afforded the religious institutions the ability to set rules based on their beliefs.
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Actually, if you read the last ruling, that was not exactly what they said. Someone posted it a while back, I highlighted it a few times for folks. If that reasoning is used, no the courts would not say that. You might want to look that up as I've already done my part on that. ;)
 
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Boo Radley said:
Actually, if you read the last ruling, that was not exactly what they said. Someone posted it a while back, I highlighted it a few times for folks. If that reasoning is used, no the courts would not say that. You might want to look that up as I've already done my part on that. ;)
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Is there any reason that you think that SCOTUS would stand against the 1st amendment in concerns of religious freedoms?


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Really, you're using the Daily Beast? Do you believe that they are objective?


j-mac
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Here is a USA today article:

According to the Public Religion Research Institute poll released today,...



Key breakdowns

•58% of all Catholics agree employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception. That slides down to 52% for Catholic voters, 50% for white Catholics.
•61% of religiously unaffiliated Americans say employer plans should cover contraception.
•50%of white mainline Protestants want the coverage. However, for evangelical Protestants, that drops to 38%.
And perhaps of greater note among election-watchers:

Women are significantly more likely than men to agree that employers should be required to provide health care plans that cover contraception (62% vs. 47% respectively).


A second poll, also released today from Public Policy Polling, has similar findings. This poll, conducted at the request of Planned Parenthood, finds
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New surveys: Catholics want birth control coverage
 
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Boo Radley said:
Actually, if you read the last ruling, that was not exactly what they said. Someone posted it a while back, I highlighted it a few times for folks. If that reasoning is used, no the courts would not say that. You might want to look that up as I've already done my part on that. ;)
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I'm not sure about the details of the very last ruling you are trying to highlight, but through the past many years, they have been saying that. Is it possible that some judge foud something different? Of course.
 
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Here is an article with a chart of the poll breakdown.

PRRI broke down the question for different types of employers, a methodology that gets to the heart of the various ways the opponents of birth control coverage have framed their objections. Support rises the more attenuated the relationship is with a church or house of worship: churches and other houses of worship (42%) ; religiously affiliated social service agencies (52%); privately owned small businesses (53%); religiously affiliated colleges (54%); religiously affiliated hospitals (57%); and publicly held corporations (62%).

According to PRRI's data, "Catholics overall are generally more supportive than the general public of the contraception coverage requirements." The flock isn't following the Bishops, who yesterday pledged to continue their opposition to the policy and to what they claim are other threats to the religious liberty. The Bishops, though, have non-Catholic supporters: "White evangelical Protestants are the only religious group that opposes requiring any type of employer to provide their employees with no cost contraception coverage:"
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Link with chart:

Finally, a Poll Gets the Contraception Question Right | Religion Dispatches
 
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House Republicans, have slowed their efforts to overturn a federal rule requiring employers, including religious institutions, to provide female employees with free health insurance coverage for contraceptives.
WASHINGTON — House Republicans, unsure how to proceed, have slowed their efforts to overturn a federal rule requiring employers, including religious institutions, to provide female employees with free health insurance coverage for contraceptives.

While most House Republicans still support legislation to broaden the exemption for religious employers, House Republican leaders are carefully reviewing their options on the issue, which Democrats used to political advantage in the Senate.

The goal of House Republicans has not changed, they said, but they worry about further alienating women in this year’s elections.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/u...e.html?_r=4&smid=tw-nytimespolitics&seid=auto
 
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minnie616 said:
House Republicans, have slowed their efforts to overturn a federal rule requiring employers, including religious institutions, to provide female employees with free health insurance coverage for contraceptives.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/u...e.html?_r=4&smid=tw-nytimespolitics&seid=auto
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The right wing badly overplayed their card on this issue. And Limbaugh was the center of their disaster.
 
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j-mac said:
Is there any reason that you think that SCOTUS would stand against the 1st amendment in concerns of religious freedoms?


j-mac
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Well, you're reading of the first amendment and where it applies may be wrong. But I read their last ruling, and they seemed to limit the priviledge to actual clergy, in actual churches, and not to off shoot buisnessess and other employees. You might read it.
 
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buck said:
I'm not sure about the details of the very last ruling you are trying to highlight, but through the past many years, they have been saying that. Is it possible that some judge foud something different? Of course.
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Well, it seems we both bring different things we've read. I'd have to know specifically what you've read to check it out. But, the last rulling, as I said, I think says something different than you report.
 
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j-mac said:
You can cite PRRI all you want...Just like a computer 'junk in, junk out'...They are a biased source. Notice the questions of their samplings are NOT provided....Ever ask yourself why?


j-mac
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There was a link in that article:
Here is a direct link to the questions, answers and the Methodology.

http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/PRRI-RNS-March-2012-Topline.pdf
 
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Boo Radley said:
Well, you're reading of the first amendment and where it applies may be wrong. But I read their last ruling, and they seemed to limit the priviledge to actual clergy, in actual churches, and not to off shoot buisnessess and other employees. You might read it.
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Well, I don't think so...

1st Amendment said:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Key phrases Boo, in the collection of "negative liberties" that your dear Leader despises.


j-mac
 
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minnie616 said:
There was a link in that article:
Here is a direct link to the questions, answers and the Methodology.

http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/PRRI-RNS-March-2012-Topline.pdf
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Thank you for providing that Minie, however I can't get around the fact that after reading the questions involved the obvious conscious, deliberate wording to paint Universities and Charity Hospitals, and social aid orgs as businesses, is clear. Now, if you could do one more thing, and show where it is that the people that they questioned in this sample was listed, I can place the pieces together for you.


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Thank you for providing that Minie, however I can't get around the fact that after reading the questions involved the obvious conscious, deliberate wording to paint Universities and Charity Hospitals, and social aid orgs as businesses, is clear. Now, if you could do one more thing, and show where it is that the people that they questioned in this sample was listed, I can place the pieces together for you.

j-mac
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You will find that info at the bottom of the page under : Survey Methodology
 
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minnie616 said:
You will find that info at the bottom of the page under : Survey Methodology
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My bad, I didn't read it closely enough....They still however give quite a broad definition...They say in their statement of Methodology

a
*random
*sample
*of
*1,007
*adults
*18
*years
*of
*age
*or
*older
*in
*the
*
continental
*United
*States
*(300
*respondents
*were
*interviewed
*on
*a
*cell
*phone).
*

*
The
*final
*sample
*was
*weighted
*to
*five
*different
*parameters—age,
*sex,
*geographic
*
region,
*education
*and
*telephone
*usage1—to
*ensure
*reliable
*and
*accurate
*
representation
*of
*the
*total
*adult
*population.
*
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About the only thing I can take from that is that the respondents were all over 18yrs of age. But, where is the breakdowns as to political ideology, religious affiliation, age grouping, etc. Also, their own affiliation with other organizations that are vested in so called 'social, and economic justice' meme is problematic...That their particular propaganda is getting better at hiding their true goals is more frightening to me than it is enlightening.


j-mac
 
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