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buck · Mar 17, 2012

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Tucker Case said:
rof If it's covered by private insurance, it's not free Birth control. They are paying for it in their premiums.

Free, in this case, is about perception. They are not paying directly for the birth control, which will cause it to be seen as free by the consumer.

The rest of us, even those that don't use BC, will be giving them money to subsidize that prescription and bring it to a nearly free actual cost.

buck · Mar 17, 2012

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AdamT said:
Apparently that is not always the case, which is the point.

Actually, it is always the case. All insurance companies cover BC to prevent cysts and the like, including Georgetown University. This is not to say a rare mistake may not happen. Tightening up the rules related to BC to prevent cysts would be wonderful. Forcing religious orgs that believe BC as contraception/abortion is against their religion, not quite so wonderful.

pbrauer · Mar 17, 2012

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American said:
Georgetown University’s Insurance Policy Does Cover Contraceptive Use Mentioned in Fluke Testimony | TheBlaze.com

Are you finished now?

Actually, The Blaze article says they may be covered, not that they are covered. The title is: "GEORGETOWN’S POLICY MAY COVER CONTRACEPTIVES AFTER ALL" And there is no evidence given they are.

Josie · Mar 17, 2012

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pbrauer said:
Actually, The Blaze article says they may be covered, not that they are covered. The title is: "GEORGETOWN’S POLICY MAY COVER CONTRACEPTIVES AFTER ALL" And there is no evidence given they are.

According to Fluke's own testimony, Georgetown insurance covers contraception for medical issues.

pbrauer · Mar 17, 2012

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Josie said:
According to Fluke's own testimony, Georgetown insurance covers contraception for medical issues.

More of her testimony:

“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.

“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.

“After months paying over $100 out-of-pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore, and she had to stop taking it.

“I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of the night in her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room. She’d been there all night in just terrible, excruciating pain. She wrote to me, ‘It was so painful I’d woke up thinking I’ve been shot.’

“Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary as a result.

Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reproductive health care | What The Folly?!

Josie · Mar 17, 2012

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pbrauer said:
“After months paying over $100 out-of-pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore, and she had to stop taking it.

UPDATE: Even for those students who can’t get Georgetown to cover their contraception, there is still hope. CNS News reports the following item:

CNSNews.com confirmed, however, that the Target store at 3100 14th St., NW, in Washington, D.C., which is 3 miles from the Georgetown Law campus, offers Tri-Sprintec, the generic form of the birth-control pill Ortho Tri-Cyclen. Target sells a month’s supply of this birth control pill for just $9 to individuals without health insurance coverage for the pills.

A CVS pharmacy only two blocks from the Georgetown Law campus also sells a month’s supply of the same generic birth control pills for $33.

Tri-Sprintec is an FDA-approved prescription drug and is the generic version of Ortho Tri-Cyclen. The Physician’s Desk Reference (PDR) says it is for: “Prevention of pregnancy.” It is also decrease the risk of ovarian or endometrial cancer and, for some women, to fight acne.

buck · Mar 17, 2012

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buck said:
Free, in this case, is about perception. They are not paying directly for the birth control, which will cause it to be seen as free by the consumer.

The rest of us, even those that don't use BC, will be giving them money to subsidize that prescription and bring it to a nearly free actual cost.

There is nothing in this world that is actually free. Buy one get one free offers, not really free. Free warranty when you purchase a product, not really free. Free trips not really free. There is a cost associated with everything that is called free. Calling those things free is not actually incorrect, though.

buck · Mar 17, 2012

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pbrauer said:
More of her testimony:

Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reproductive health care | What The Folly?!

Insurance companies reviewing medical records to verify information that was provided is common. Insurance companies discussing an issue with an insured or doctor to clear up confusion (or interrogated if you prefer the emotionally charged language) is common. This is not something that only occurs with BC.

Georgetown's policy is to cover BC when necessary for reasons other than contraception. In this case, there appears it was just a wrongful denial. The answer to that does not have to be forcing religious organizations to pay for items directly against their religion.

Iron Yank · Mar 17, 2012

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Its amazing that with all the problems we are now facing that this is even worth discussing to the length of 63 pages.

-Gas at record high prices with no relief in sight, still dependent on ME oil
- Record debt that our grandchildren will still be paying for
-Big totalitarian goverment exerting more & more power over our everyday lifes

I could go on & on but this is not even a top 20 issue right now, just a distraction that the Obama admin. are throwing
out there to distract you from the trainwreck that is happening before your very eyes.

roughdraft274 · Mar 17, 2012

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Iron Yank said:
Its amazing that with all the problems we are now facing that this is even worth discussing to the length of 63 pages.

-Gas at record high prices with no relief in sight, still dependent on ME oil
- Record debt that our grandchildren will still be paying for
-Big totalitarian goverment exerting more & more power over our everyday lifes

I could go on & on but this is not even a top 20 issue right now, just a distraction that the Obama admin. are throwing
out there to distract you from the trainwreck that is happening before your very eyes.

Sorry, you don't get to decide what people feel is important.

Iron Yank · Mar 17, 2012

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roughdraft274 said:
Sorry, you don't get to decide what people feel is important.

The ship is taking on water and starting to go down & you are trying to fix the rail on the deck.

But by all means go ahead & enjoy your free birth control benefit while you pay for 5$ gas & your home is worth zilch.

roughdraft274 · Mar 17, 2012

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Iron Yank said:
The ship is taking on water and starting to go down & you are trying to fix the rail on the deck.

But by all means go ahead & enjoy your free birth control benefit while you pay for 5$ gas & your home is worth zilch.

Maybe we should pass a "the sky can not fall" bill to relieve some of your stress. Maybe then we could also pass a bill allowing people to think about more than just one issue at a time. How wonderful that would be...

Iron Yank · Mar 17, 2012

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roughdraft274 said:
Maybe we should pass a "the sky can not fall" bill to relieve some of your stress. Maybe then we could also pass a bill allowing people to think about more than just one issue at a time. How wonderful that would be...

Just like a Liberal to think that most problems can be solved by another bill and another goverment dictate

Of course this is a valid issue that is worthy of discussion at some point on some level, but what seems to go right over your's & others heads is that this issue came straight from the White house with the aim of changing the discussion from the presidents job peformance on the bread & butter issues which most polls indicate, he's dropping like a rock.

Boo Radley · Mar 17, 2012

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buck said:
There is nothing in this world that is actually free. Buy one get one free offers, not really free. Free warranty when you purchase a product, not really free. Free trips not really free. There is a cost associated with everything that is called free. Calling those things free is not actually incorrect, though.

Actually, singling this out as free is incorrect. What one gets as compensation is the insurance. Often, there is a co-pay. It is rare that there is't. Regardless, whether they contribute to the insurance or not (different places have different contribution rules), the insurance is the compensation, and how that insurance is used is up to the individual emnployed. This is really simple. And it should not be seen as giving anything for free. This is compensation for employment, so the employee has given his or her daily labor for the compensation.

buck · Mar 17, 2012

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Boo Radley said:
Actually, singling this out as free is incorrect. What one gets as compensation is the insurance. Often, there is a co-pay. It is rare that there is't.

BC pils are being mandated to be covered without co-pay.

Regardless, whether they contribute to the insurance or not (different places have different contribution rules), the insurance is the compensation, and how that insurance is used is up to the individual emnployed. This is really simple. And it should not be seen as giving anything for free. This is compensation for employment, so the employee has given his or her daily labor for the compensation.

First, Georgetown insurance is not compensation. These are students, not employees.

Second, the compensation that is offered is determined by the employer. Wether the employee wants to accept the offer is up to the employee. In the case of religious organizations, they offered as compensation insurance that specifically excludes birth control as contraception. The insured and the religious organization are saving money on insurance premiums. The people that accepted the job, accepted the compensation that excluded birth control pills used as contraception.

It's free birth control pill, in the sense of anything else in this country that is free. Prior to my wife having BC covered from her insurance, we were paying 50-60 (I can't recall which exactly) per month. Now, she gets it free through her insurance, since she is not paying at the point of picking up the pills. I know you realize this, but want to insist that since she's paying a small increased premium for the BC coverage, it's not really free. You are wrong. If we were to use your definition of free, we could get rid of the word, because nothing in this country is truly free.

Boo Radley · Mar 17, 2012

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buck said:
BC pils are being mandated to be covered without co-pay.

OK. Doesn't bother me at all, but OK. Point taken.

First, Georgetown insurance is not compensation. These are students, not employees.

Second, the compensation that is offered is determined by the employer. Wether the employee wants to accept the offer is up to the employee. In the case of religious organizations, they offered as compensation insurance that specifically excludes birth control as contraception. The insured and the religious organization are saving money on insurance premiums. The people that accepted the job, accepted the compensation that excluded birth control pills used as contraception.

It's free birth control pill, in the sense of anything else in this country that is free. Prior to my wife having BC covered from her insurance, we were paying 50-60 (I can't recall which exactly) per month. Now, she gets it free through her insurance, since she is not paying at the point of picking up the pills. I know you realize this, but want to insist that since she's paying a small increased premium for the BC coverage, it's not really free. You are wrong. If we were to use your definition of free, we could get rid of the word, because nothing in this country is truly free.

The law is largely aimed at employees. Students, who often need isnurance are covered. This si a good thing and not a bad thing. Schools have been covering for sometime a lot of health needs. I think them being allowed on their parents coverage likely limits this. I'd be happy to see any numbers on how many actual students we're speaking of.

As for compensation, it doesn't matter. The compensation, whatever it is, is then the emplyees. Not the employers. Trying to tell the employee how to use is largely improper. I would be more with you if you wanted to move insurance away from the employer, allowing them to increase salary and not use insurance as part of the pay. But to say we'll give you insurance, but limit your use not due to any rationale but what we think is moral for you to use? No. No more than you can control the money I get as compensation should you be able to control what I use insurance for.

buck · Mar 17, 2012

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Boo Radley said:
Actually, singling this out as free is incorrect. What one gets as compensation is the insurance. Often, there is a co-pay. It is rare that there is't. Regardless, whether they contribute to the insurance or not (different places have different contribution rules), the insurance is the compensation, and how that insurance is used is up to the individual emnployed. This is really simple. And it should not be seen as giving anything for free. This is compensation for employment, so the employee has given his or her daily labor for the compensation.

BTW, if you really have a problem with it, take it up with the insurance companies who will have to legally modify their contract's language to indicate either "free" or "no charge", NPR, ABC, NYTIMES and even the Institute of Medicine committee's report that recommend that the mandate be made a law:

Feds Order Insurers To Cover Birth Control Free Of Charge To Women : Shots - Health Blog : NPR

Feds Order Insurers To Cover Birth Control Free Of Charge To Women

Birth Control Free for All: New Insurance Rules Affect Millions of Women - ABC News

Birth Control Free for All: New Insurance Rules Affect Millions of Women

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/h...must-cover-contraceptives.html?pagewanted=all

The Obama administration said Friday that most health insurance plans must cover contraceptives for women free of charge, and it rejected a broad exemption sought by the Roman Catholic Church for insurance provided to employees of Catholic hospitals, colleges and charities.

Birth control should be fully covered under health plans, report says - CNN.com

Contraceptives, sterilization and reproductive education should be covered by health insurance plans with no cost to patients under the health care reform law, a new report recommends.

Boo Radley · Mar 17, 2012

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buck said:
BTW, if you really have a problem with it, take it up with the insurance companies who will have to legally modify their contract's language to indicate either "free" or "no charge", NPR, ABC, NYTIMES and even the Institute of Medicine committee's report that recommend that the mandate be made a law:

Feds Order Insurers To Cover Birth Control Free Of Charge To Women : Shots - Health Blog : NPR

Birth Control Free for All: New Insurance Rules Affect Millions of Women - ABC News

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/h...must-cover-contraceptives.html?pagewanted=all

Birth control should be fully covered under health plans, report says - CNN.com

For employees, again, there work is part of the paying for it as it is compensation.

As for students, 1) good, as students need the protection and 2) as the new laws allow most to be on their parents insurance, how many are the schools now covering? I suspect, though can't say with certanty, less than before.

buck · Mar 17, 2012

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Boo Radley said:
For employees, again, there work is part of the paying for it as it is compensation.

As for students, 1) good, as students need the protection and 2) as the new laws allow most to be on their parents insurance, how many are the schools now covering? I suspect, though can't say with certanty, less than before.

Actually, their work was paying for insurance with a birth control for contraception exclusion. THe religious organizations are now being ordered to provide (and pay for) additional compensation that is both elective (when being used to prevent contraception) for the insured and against the religious organization's religion.

Boo Radley · Mar 17, 2012

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buck said:
Actually, their work was paying for insurance with a birth control for contraception exclusion. THe religious organizations are now being ordered to provide (and pay for) additional compensation that is both elective (when being used to prevent contraception) for the insured and against the religious organization's religion.

No, churches move away from the church into business. As a business, they don't have religous exemption, and shouldn't. As I said earlier, there are amny reasons to use contraceptions and to pay for them. They include medical, individual, and societial. The objection to them seems misguided IMHO.

buck · Mar 17, 2012

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Boo Radley said:
No, churches move away from the church into business. As a business, they don't have religous exemption, and shouldn't.

It may surprise you to learn, others, and apaprently a majority based on the poll that someone posted, disagree with you.

As I said earlier, there are amny reasons to use contraceptions and to pay for them. They include medical, individual, and societial. The objection to them seems misguided IMHO.

There are many reasons to pay for alot of elective surgeries and treatments. It doesn't mean that Obama has ordered or that insurance companies pay for them.

Boo Radley · Mar 17, 2012

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buck said:
It may surprise you to learn, others, and apaprently a majority based on the poll that someone posted, disagree with you.

I read that poll, and I'm not sure that is true. But even if it were, and I agree it was, they would be wrong.

And majority cannot tell us right from wrong, but only if they will win a vote.

:coffeepap

buck · Mar 17, 2012

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Boo Radley said:
I read that poll, and I'm not sure that is true. But even if it were, and I agree it was, they would be wrong.

And majority cannot tell us right from wrong, but only if they will win a vote.

:coffeepap

When it agrees with your opinion, you can tell others what is right and wrong. When it disagrees with your opinion, you think that others can't tell you what is right or wrong. Weird how that works, no?

Boo Radley · Mar 17, 2012

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buck said:
When it agrees with your opinion, you can tell others what is right and wrong. When it disagrees with your opinion, you think that others can't tell you what is right or wrong. Weird how that works, no?

Oh, I have never, ever said a poll like this tells us anything more than who win a vote. You must be mistaking me with someone else.

No, the reasoning, the rationale is what we should look at. Teachers are for the most part not clergy. Schools teach more than religious theology. Hosptials employee more than clergy, a lot more. They are businesses. Not churches. There is a real and visable and clear difference.

buck · Mar 17, 2012

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Boo Radley said:
Oh, I have never, ever said a poll like this tells us anything more than who win a vote. You must be mistaking me with someone else.

No, the reasoning, the rationale is what we should look at. Teachers are for the most part not clergy. Schools teach more than religious theology. Hosptials employee more than clergy, a lot more. They are businesses. Not churches. There is a real and visable and clear difference.

I think you missed the point. I understand your reasoning and rational that led you to your specific opinion. Not everyone shares your opinion and obviously used different reasonaing and rational to reach their opinion. Your opinion is not any more correct then mine, no matter how much you want to pretend that it is.

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