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Explosive Growth of Militias

From what I've read there's no question that the Feds screwed this up big time. On the other hand ... no one would have gotten killed if the Weavers had simply come out with their hands up.


shooting their dog and then shooting the boy in the back? the marshalls didn't have a legal right to shoot the dog and they sure didn't have a need to send a kill team after the weavers

think about it-Kevin Harris's killing of a marshall was JUSTIFIED that means the FEDERAL LEO DESERVED BEING KILLED
 
So can extremist Muslims. Should they fall under the same microscope as militia groups?

Of course they shouldnt, all liberals are terrorist sympathisers we certainly wouldnt protect ourselves from terrorists!
 
So can extremist Muslims. Should they fall under the same microscope as militia groups?

Nah that would be bigoted or racist :mrgreen:
 
I didn't ask you, mostly because I don't give a rat's ass what you think about it.

The question was for Gimmesometruth. Not Thunder.

sorry, this isn't your own personal forum.

I can answer any question I damn well please.
 
sorry, this isn't your own personal forum.

I can answer any question I damn well please.

And I will continue not to care.
 
if they are gathering guns & other weapons, and training?

you better believe it.

There is absolutly nothing illegal about gathering guns and weapons, nor training to use them. The illegality occurs when one uses a gun to harm another.
 
There is absolutly nothing illegal about gathering guns and weapons, nor training to use them. The illegality occurs when one uses a gun to harm another.

In a sane world, it would be seen as a civic duty. It used to be.
 
In a sane world, it would be seen as a civic duty. It used to be.

Indeed. I fully support every man, woman, and child understanding how to use firearms in an expertise manner. If people weren't so freaking afraid of guns, and would learn how to use them, they would be much more sane and competent individuals as a whole. There's nothing besides working in my garden, that is more of a mental disclipine and yoga for me.
 
There is absolutly nothing illegal about gathering guns and weapons, nor training to use them. The illegality occurs when one uses a gun to harm another.

planning to use such weapons to launch a terrorist attack, is a crime.
 
planning to use such weapons to launch a terrorist attack, is a crime.

Something I educated you on a while back. possessing a weapon with the INTENT to use it criminally is a crime
 
Something I educated you on a while back. possessing a weapon with the INTENT to use it criminally is a crime

as it should be. if militias plan on using their weapons for terrorism or to start a "revolution", the authoritiies should know.
 
planning to use such weapons to launch a terrorist attack, is a crime.

Intent and planning has to be proven. Until that point, it's not illegal to own and train with guns. I can own 100 guns and shoot each of them every day, and it's perfectly legal.

What you stated was:
if they are gathering guns & other weapons, and training?

you better believe it.


That is not illegal.
 
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Intent and planning has to be proven. Until that point, it's not illegal to own and train with guns. I can own 100 guns and shoot each of them every day, and it's perfectly legal.

that's why the authorities should be monitoring all private armies, especially ones known to be full of extremists.
 
Intent and planning has to be proven. Until that point, it's not illegal to own and train with guns. I can own 100 guns and shoot each of them every day, and it's perfectly legal.

Apparently some people think the only reason you'd want to collect guns and train with them is to commit a terrorist act, or try to start a revolution.
 
Apparently some people think the only reason you'd want to collect guns and train with them is to commit a terrorist act, or try to start a revolution.

so, if Muslim extremists are amassing guns & ammo, and doing tactical training in the woods, and have even built mock buildings, you don't want the FBI looking into them?
 
so, if Muslim extremists are amassing guns & ammo, and doing tactical training in the woods, and have even built mock buildings, you don't want the FBI looking into them?

Not without just cause.
 
as it should be. if militias plan on using their weapons for terrorism or to start a "revolution", the authoritiies should know.


they do......

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so, if Muslim extremists are amassing guns & ammo, and doing tactical training in the woods, and have even built mock buildings, you don't want the FBI looking into them?

This speaks to my statement, how?
 
its a question.

your answer?

No, it was an accusation, really. But to answer: if they're American citizens, then the standards of reasonable suspicion and probable cause apply, just as they do with anyone. :shrug: Don't know why you think dangling "Muslim" in front of me would cause me to answer any differently; you're the religious bigot, not me.

There are actually a number of militant Muslim groups around the country, and they've been around since the '50s. I ain't sweatin' 'em.

If they're foreign nationals, then it would be stupid not to look into them. But then it has nothing to do with this conversation.
 
so, if Muslim extremists are amassing guns & ammo, and doing tactical training in the woods, and have even built mock buildings, you don't want the FBI looking into them?

I have a Muslim friend from Syria. He's highly educated and makes a good living. He owns a 1000 thousand acre ranch about 1/1/2 hours west of here. Three or four times a year, he takes about 20-30 of the guys at work out to his ranch, and they shoot all day. Shoot wild hogs, shoot rocks, shoot targets, drink beer, and there are lots of guns on the premisis. Should he be suspected of being a muslim extremist, because of this behavior, or must there be more evidence of his nature and intent? Afterall, he's *muslim-looking*, and he takes a bunch of guys out to shoot in the woods.
 
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I have a Muslim friend from Syria. He's highly educated and makes a good living. He owns a 1000 thousand acre rance about 1/1/2 hours west of here. Three or four times a year, he takes about 20-30 of the guys at work out to his ranch, and they shoot all day. Shoot wild hogs, shoot rocks, shoot targets, drink beer, and there are lots of guns on the premisis. Shouuld he be suspected of being a muslim extremist, because of this behavior, or must ther be more evidence of his nature and intent? Afterall, he's *muslim-looking*, and he takes a bunch of guys out to shoot in the woods.

Excellent example. There's nothing the slightest bit suspicious in that.
 
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