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Explosive Growth of Militias

Thunder said:
why, do you have something to fear from the Federal govt., based on the stated qualifications?
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So theb you would take no issue with te fedgov putting camerad in tour 1 room apt? I mean only criminals and terrorists should fear the fedgov.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So theb you would take no issue with te fedgov putting camerad in tour 1 room apt? I mean only criminals and terrorists should fear the fedgov.
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not supporting fringe militias... equivalent to supporting a fictional surveillance state.
 
Thunder said:
are YOU...afraid of the Federal government?

I'm sure not. There is no logical nor rational reason to be.

Only criminals & terrorists need to fear the Federal government.
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Here's one of the problems. The definition of criminals and terrorists has changed through the years. At the time of our founding as a nation, those who are considered criminals and terrorist by the government nowadays, were the epitome of what described a patriot back then. It's not the spirit of patriotism that has changed, it's the gradual acceptance by society that people who have guns, who are also constitutionally-minded, are to be feared.
 
lizzie said:
Here's one of the problems. The definition of criminals and terrorists has changed through the years. At the time of our founding as a nation, those who are considered criminals and terrorist by the government nowadays, were the epitome of what described a patriot back then....
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wrong.

cute...but wrong.
 
lizzie said:
Here's one of the problems. The definition of criminals and terrorists has changed through the years. At the time of our founding as a nation, those who are considered criminals and terrorist by the government nowadays, were the epitome of what described a patriot back then. It's not the spirit of patriotism that has changed, it's the gradual acceptance by society that people who have guns, who are also constitutionally-minded, are to be feared.
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I don't think the epitome of patriot was attacking the government when the nation was founded.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Given all the cameras everywhere these days? Your call my friend....

Btw are all militias "fringe"?
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There are enough fringe militias I will concern myself with fringe militias. A militia of itself is not an issue, a christian militia with an apocalyptic timeline is not good news.
Keeping an eye on them is not putting a camera in my apartment. That's hysterical.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
I don't think the epitome of patriot was attacking the government when the nation was founded.
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How do you think we won independence from England? When they came to take the guns, we went to war with them.
 
Thunder said:
you only say that because The Militia, as its spelled out in the USC and the many Militia Acts, up to 1903, are contrary to your personal view of what The Militia should be.
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Uh, no.

I'm saying it's irrelevant, because it doesn't conflict.

If you actually knew what a militia is, you'd know this (and that the silly capital M doesn't mean a thing). I've only been trying to get this across for how many pages now?


you want The Militia to answer to no one, be responsible to no one, and yet at the same time...recognized & respected as legitimate by the government.

you want The Militia, to be able to fight "tyranny", whenever & wherever they see it. Even if the great majority of this country thinks they're crazy extremists.

basically, you support anarchy, under the mask of Constitutional rights & freedom.
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Now you're just spewing ignorant gibberish about what I "want." I'll leave you to it.
 
Erod said:
What about Obama's buddy, Stephen Ayers?
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That's Bill Ayers, whose only (self-stated) regret is that he didn't bomb more.
 
Harshaw said:
That's Bill Ayers, whose only (self-stated) regret is that he didn't bomb more.
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Yes, they were in a room together once or something.
Glad were dragging obama into this. As we desperately lash out to defend radical paramilitaries.
 
Odd I remember liberals going bonkers about the patriot act and government power under Bush.


I guess when a Democrat is in charge everything is all of the sudden ok.
 
by the logic of some folks here, the Black Panthers and FALN, were good ol' American partriotic militia groups. fightin' fer freedom..and stuff.

:)
 
Paratrooper said:
Odd I remember liberals going bonkers about the patriot act and government power under Bush.


I guess when a Democrat is in charge everything is all of the sudden ok.
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More ranting and frothing. Identifying radical militias is not surveilling a whole country.
 
Thunder said:
by the logic of some folks here, the Black Panthers and FALN, were good ol' American partriotic militia groups. fightin' fer freedom..and stuff.

:)
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Do'h forgot there were black panthers in there!
:snap
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Yes, they were in a room together once or something.
Glad were dragging obama into this. As we desperately lash out to defend radical paramilitaries.
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Heh. "Dragging?" Check your OP. Oh, and your own third post:

MKULTRABOY said:
Boys will be apocalyptic anti-Obama neonazi Christians I see.
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Paratrooper said:
Odd I remember liberals going bonkers about the patriot act and government power under Bush.
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If you went into the fever swamps like the Democratic Underground, they were actually talking about armed revolt if McCain won.

("With WHAT?" you might ask, not without reason.)
 
If you look throughout the history in the US and other countries there is a tendency to silence those who speak out. As our country grows and more and more restrictions are placed on our behavior and civil rights, more and more of this will happen because those rights are spelled out for us in the Constitution, which people tout as the law of the land. The truth is that the law is the restrictions that are placed on us. These groups see the restrictions as an erosion of our rights and a corruption of what the country is supposed to stand for; freedom, the flag, patriotism, the ideals set forth in the Constitution. The government has silenced people before and they will do it again, which is why we should appreciate these groups for standing up instead of criticizing them and saying they are paranoid, they have justification for their feelings.

Quite frankly, I agree with them
 
lizzie said:
How do you think we won independence from England? When they came to take the guns, we went to war with them.
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Wait, the Revolutionary War was about gun control? You learn something every day.... :roll:
 
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