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Bill Maher defends Rush Limbaugh for 'slut' apology

TheNextEra said:
In regards to abortion I really think this is the issue that no matter what side you are on, you are tredding on someones rights. This is where I think Libertarianism is in a lose situation no matter what.

On one hand, some perceive the rights of the mother should be ruled in favor of. On the other hand, some perseive the rights of the fetus should be ruled in favor of.
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yes, it is a lose lose situation, I see the rights of the mother, but I also see the rights of the child. I personally see them as equal.
 
AdamT said:
As much as we all love to categorize people as us/them, black/white, liberal/conservative, Maher just doesn't fit neatly into one of those categories. I would say he is left of center, but his views are not down-the-line liberal.

From Wikipedia:
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I agree, he to me is a left-centrist. He is, by your evidence, no damn libertarian.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Did I say that? I think we need to change the culture, we need to stop the holocost of dead infants for the sake of convienence, I understand laws wont change it, but changing peoples minds will, Like Aparthied, gay rights, womens rights, once we understand these little people growing inside us are alive like you and I, the thought of abortion will become as repulsive to the individual as taking of anothers life.


That said, Libertarians are not anarchists, I am for banning of elective abortions after the 2nd trimester., It's a start, but won't stem the flood of abortions until we change peoples minds.
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That's a fair position that I can agree with.
 
Harshaw said:
Oh, dear. He quotes it, but he doesn't understand it. Oy.
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Can I assume you have no idea what you are bitching about? I've asked about 20 times and you've failed to provide an answer.

We'll just chalk you up to defending Limbaugh for no apparent reason, ok? Here is my impression of Harshaw:

Random Person 1: Wow, I can't believe Limbaugh called that girl a slut!
Harshaw: OMG Maher!
Random Person 2: What about Maher!?!
Harshaw: Wow, you hypocrite!
Random Person 1: WTF?

And then everyone's heads explode.
 
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Redress said:
All that and you still have not managed to show anything except a simplistic view of idiology.

Bill Maher supports partial privitization of Social Security-generally libertarian position, not liberal
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Libertarians support full privatization, republicans prefer partial to full. you can argue he is more a republican than a libertarian.


Supports ending federal funding for non profits-generally libertarian position, not liberal
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Republican, and libertarian, I concede this one, but from your same wiki, the next few lines talks about his support of kyoto and global warming....

Not to mention his membership in PETA....



Supports legalization of prostitution, gambling and drugs-generally libertarian positions, somewhat liberal.
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I agree with this.



He self identifies as a libertarian or progressive. So what we have is some one who has a complex set of views that does not fit into a good soundbite, but closest fits what we tend to call here Libertarian-left. What he is not, nor does he claim to be, is a liberal.
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There is no difference between liberal and progressive. Even he thinks being afraid of being called a liberal is silly, take another look at your wiki.


Supports racial profiling, not libertarian.

This is not complex stuff. I know that you conservatives love to label any one who does not agree 100 % with you guys on the issues and liberals, but that is just stupid.
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Stupid is you constantly calling me a conservative. you should up your game, or at least give me a list of my "conservative" positions so it doesn't look like you are just mad I'm calling out Maher for what he is. :shrug:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
yes, it is a lose lose situation, I see the rights of the mother, but I also see the rights of the child. I personally see them as equal.
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Yes, but no matter which side you choose you're picking one over the other, so not quite equal.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Stupid is you constantly calling me a conservative. you should up your game, or at least give me a list of my "conservative" positions so it doesn't look like you are just mad I'm calling out Maher for what he is. :shrug:
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Correct me if I am wrong (Cause there's a good chance I am), but didn't you agree with the Iraq war and the forming of Homeland Security? Aren't those distinct anti-libertarian positions?
 
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whysoserious said:
Can I assume you have no idea what you are bitching about? I've asked about 20 times and you've failed to provide an answer.

We'll just chalk you up to defending Limbaugh for no apparent reason, ok? Here is my impression of Hershaw:

Random Person 1: Wow, I can't believe Limbaugh called that girl a slut!
Harshaw: OMG Maher!
Random Person 2: What about Maher!?!
Harshaw: Wow, you hypocrite!
Random Person 1: WTF?

And then everyone's heads explode.
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Oh, good LORD -- not only is this hilarious in itself . . .

You also "liked" Kandahar's post above, which is in keeping with everything I said . . .

And yesterday, you not only understood it, you AGREED WITH ME.

whysoserious said:
I hear you on that. The only reason I can see why that would be true is because Sarah Palin is a politician and that's what politics has come to in this country. However, this lady that Rush called a slut is just some random law student who was trying to make a difference. I would liken it to the nappy-headed ho comment.

If Imus had called Condaleeza a nappy-headed ho, he'd still have his job.
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whysoserious said:
Well that's an issue, because pundits (and talking heads in general) say crazy **** all the time. I think the major thing they need to keep in mind is to say it about someone who is fair game. The volleyball team Imus was referring to - not fair game apparently. And this law student, apparently was not fair game as well.

Personally, I agree with you. But news is more about entertainment than news, so there is no moral or ethical guidelines they need to follow. You want to say the president is "terrorist fist bumping", go right ahead. There is no accountability. Just don't call sluts or nappy-headed hoes. Bad **** goes down when you do that.
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I think you have no idea what you say from post to post.
 
Harshaw said:
Oh, good LORD -- not only is this hilarious in itself . . .

You also "liked" Kandahar's post above, which is in keeping with everything I said . . .

And yesterday, you not only understood it, you AGREED WITH ME.

I think you have no idea what you say from post to post.
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I'm just confused as to your motives? Are you just trying to say Maher is a dick? Because it seems to me you are using Maher's dickishness as a bargaining chip to excuse Rush's dickishness. That's the issue I am having.
 
whysoserious said:
I'm just confused as to your motives? Are you just trying to say Maher is a dick? Because it seems to me you are using Maher's dickishness as a bargaining chip to excuse Rush's dickishness. That's the issue I am having.
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Yes, because you apparently can't read.

Harshaw said:
What "difference" am I missing? And "disagreeing with my values"? I'm pretty sure I'm the one who's condemning the bad behavior of both, regardless of "values," and it's you who are trying to draw a distinction for some reason or another.

Misogyny is misogyny, no matter who it's against or who says it. There are no qualifiers.
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Libertarians support full privatization, republicans prefer partial to full. you can argue he is more a republican than a libertarian.




Republican, and libertarian, I concede this one, but from your same wiki, the next few lines talks about his support of kyoto and global warming....

Not to mention his membership in PETA....





I agree with this.







There is no difference between liberal and progressive. Even he thinks being afraid of being called a liberal is silly, take another look at your wiki.


Supports racial profiling, not libertarian.




Stupid is you constantly calling me a conservative. you should up your game, or at least give me a list of my "conservative" positions so it doesn't look like you are just mad I'm calling out Maher for what he is. :shrug:
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If you actually beleive there is no difference between liberal and progressive you are exactly the wrong person to be claiming any one is part of any ideology. There are significant differences.

I call you a conservative here to make a point.
 
Harshaw said:
Yes, because you apparently can't read.
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No, I think it's you who can't read, because you constantly seem to assume that I am out for Limbaugh's blood. I just said I don't give a **** what Maher said because he's a comedian on HBO.
 
whysoserious said:
No, I think it's you who can't read, because you constantly seem to assume that I am out for Limbaugh's blood. I just said I don't give a **** what Maher said because he's a comedian on HBO.
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Let's all tone it down here.
 
TheNextEra said:
Correct me if I am wrong (Cause there's a good chance I am), but didn't you agree with the Iraq war and the forming of Homeland Security? Aren't those distinct anti-libertarian positions?
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I believed the iraq war to be a continuation of hostilities of the first gulf war to which I am a veteran of. I also believe it to be a cold war between the UN and the US... While I agree with it not being a libertarian stance, I see a larger picture as to why it was pretty much inevetable. And no., I was and am against a homeland security department.
 
Redress said:
If you actually beleive there is no difference between liberal and progressive you are exactly the wrong person to be claiming any one is part of any ideology. There are significant differences.
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I asked you once to tell me, you told me the same thing, only used different words. Tell me again, what is the difference?


I call you a conservative here to make a point.
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If your point is to degrade your credibility, then you have succeeded. my claims of maher is based on pointed evidence I have put forth and linked to. You calling me a "conservative", is simple name calling to which I think you are better than. If you were to say "you conservatives" and answer my query with "you are a conservative because of a. b .c." I'd be happy to discuss, if you are going to call me a conservative in the same fashion haymarket calls me a "Right wing extremist" I will dismiss it all the same.
 
ARealConservative said:
could it be that he's liberal. have you seen him talk?
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I seem to remember Maher professing his liberalism and professing it proudly. Is there even a question as to whether he is a liberal or not?

If it looks like a liberal, quacks like a liberal, it's a liberal. Sheeesh....
 
Libertarians are against massive government spending and power. I fail to see how Maher could be one when he's constantly kissing Obama's ass.
 
whysoserious said:
No, I think it's you who can't read, because you constantly seem to assume that I am out for Limbaugh's blood. I just said I don't give a **** what Maher said because he's a comedian on HBO.
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Why do you care about Limbaugh? He's just a pundit on radio.
 
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