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Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

I asked you a question. You seem sensitive.

In any case, if the other team is calling them "Alamo Whites" (only one report of this by the way with no video), then it seems like there is some racial tension going on in the area and all the willfully ignorant people who earlier in the thread claimed that the other team was just being "patriotic" (LOL) have been shown to be more full of it. Consequently, everything I've said in this thread remains valid.

Even so, chanting "USA" is even dumber than chanting "whites" considering that everyone is in the USA and not everyone is white.


which makes those getting all ass hurt over hearing the chant "USA USA" the most stupid yet
 
In the long run, it does not matter who started saying these things or for what reason; what matters is the lasting effect on those who hold on to their perceived hurt. It is one thing to be victimized by hateful remarks or actions of another, it is an all together different thing to be re-hurt over and over. There comes a time when the role of victim become volitional and can be self destructive. Those people, collectively, need to come to terms with their respective circumstances otherwise the effects of this situation can be extremely detrimental and permanent both individually and as a community.
 
Reports now say that the losing team started chanting "Alamo whites" before they were drown out by the USA chant...Nice how that was reported in context isn't it?

j-mac

I do actually, and you just received the fool card.
 
You don't need to be a tarot card reader to understand this. Unless, of course, you're blind to racism.

Or digging for racism where there is none. there is plenty of racism out there. I dont see why people feel the need to assume every display of white or american pride is racist.
 
No matter the context, how is this racist? How is "USA!" a racial slur?
 
Reports now say that the losing team started chanting "Alamo whites" before they were drown out by the USA chant...Nice how that was reported in context isn't it?

j-mac

Even if that's true, it's irrelevant to what the Alamo students did. Doesn't mean it was right, either, but "they did it too" doesn't excuse it.
 
Look Play, I find it funny that you can believe that "USA" constitutes racism, yet want video evidence of someone actually chanting about a skin color before you believe it....This says volumes of you sir.

j-mac
It might denote racism, but it certainly denotes prejudice. And the only thing my comment say about me is that I'm capable of evaluating actions within the context in which they occur.
 
It might denote racism, but it certainly denotes prejudice. And the only thing my comment say about me is that I'm capable of evaluating actions within the context in which they occur.


How ashamed of being American does one have to be to think that a chant of "USA" is a bad thing? Sad dude, real sad.


j-mac
 
How ashamed of being American does one have to be to think that a chant of "USA" is a bad thing? Sad dude, real sad.


j-mac

What is really a shame is that there are people like you who cannot see how this is even remotely prejudiced against the hispanic kids, when the example provided is quite clear.
 
U.S. News - Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game



Hmmm, I didn't know that the USA consisted of white people only.

What really burns my blood is that you can not possibly imagine the stuff my daughter has heard playing basketball and running in track meets at predominantly black schools, but MSNBC wouldn't be the least bit interested in a story like that.

Double standards run amuck.

How is any of that racist? So what if they are Hispanic? They were still born in the US. And even if they weren't it isn't racist, but rather nationalistic and that isn't a problem. I don't get how anyone can say that what occurred is racist unless you are assuming that the Hispanic kids weren't born in the US (which itself would be racist).
 
What is really a shame is that there are people like you who cannot see how this is even remotely prejudiced against the hispanic kids, when the example provided is quite clear.
He sees it.
 
Except, of course, there is no indication that any of that was happening. What did happen was that a bunch of rich white kids from a rich white school thought it would be funny to chant USA at a team with brown kids on it. It doesn't get much more racist than that, short of dragging a noose around the court.

My hypothetical ended up being right. Funny/lucky.

Good luck with finding a link. This strikes me as a 'We look like a bunch of redneck racists here - quick, let's find some justification for our racism'.

It ain't working.

Several links provided. Nice.

How is any of that racist? So what if they are Hispanic? They were still born in the US. And even if they weren't it isn't racist, but rather nationalistic and that isn't a problem. I don't get how anyone can say that what occurred is racist unless you are assuming that the Hispanic kids weren't born in the US (which itself would be racist).

"ROSALBA AGUILLON, THOMAS EDISON HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT: Coming from a school that has, like, mainly Mexicans, I thought -- I thought that that was wrong. You know, like, they shouldn't have chanted that."

See. Not racist. Nationalistic (if it was because they were Mexican) or ethnocentric (if the assumption was that Latinos aren't part of the USA culture. Given that even Rosalba said that she thought it was because there school was mostly "Mexican", then I may change my original assumption from ethnocentric to nationalistic.


What is really a shame is that there are people like you who cannot see how this is even remotely prejudiced against the hispanic kids, when the example provided is quite clear.

I'm not sure anyone said it wasn't prejudice. All I've seen is not racist. All prejudice is not without basis. All racism is.
 
"ROSALBA AGUILLON, THOMAS EDISON HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT: Coming from a school that has, like, mainly Mexicans, I thought -- I thought that that was wrong. You know, like, they shouldn't have chanted that."

See. Not racist. Nationalistic (if it was because they were Mexican) or ethnocentric (if the assumption was that Latinos aren't part of the USA culture. Given that even Rosalba said that she thought it was because there school was mostly "Mexican", then I may change my original assumption from ethnocentric to nationalistic.

Did you read what I posted? I am arguing that this thing is not racist
 
How is any of that racist? So what if they are Hispanic? They were still born in the US. And even if they weren't it isn't racist, but rather nationalistic and that isn't a problem. I don't get how anyone can say that what occurred is racist unless you are assuming that the Hispanic kids weren't born in the US (which itself would be racist).

I remember a story of a boy awhile back who was told by his school not to have an American flag on the bike he rode to school. I remember thinking at the time, how does having that flag disparage anyone else? Same thing with this chant, how does chanting USA, in the USA, disparage any other country or nationality? Nobody has ever given me an answer to that.
 
Two AMERICAN high schools and when one wins that is predominantly white over the other high school that is more mixed racial they chant USA?

LMAO, well I have to say I'm never shocked by the ignorance and stupidity of people. Two american schools and one chants USA, to funny.

Racist? Yes definitely for "some" involved.
Prejudice? Yes definitely for "some" involved.
Patriotic? There's no rational for me to believe that hogwash, that's just being naive or dishonest.
Stupid and ignorant? Yes for all involved (they are HS kids though, I did plenty of stupid things)
Blown out of proportion? Yes definitely for some.

This reminds me when morons were trolling sports boards in the past when Argentina won the Olympics for basketball. These numbnuts were posting "white power!!! Argentina beat those blacks!!!"

This was the purest example of stupidity I've ever seen since anybody that is truly racist AND/OR educated understands that any country in SOUTH AMERICA isn't exactly "white" :D
 
I remember a story of a boy awhile back who was told by his school not to have an American flag on the bike he rode to school. I remember thinking at the time, how does having that flag disparage anyone else? Same thing with this chant, how does chanting USA, in the USA, disparage any other country or nationality? Nobody has ever given me an answer to that.

The bike to school I do not get in the way you are telling the story.
In this case, and I admit I'm guessing based off of common sense and logic, it seems pretty clear the chant was based on the assumption, ignorance and stupidity that the other kids were NOT americans. But see my post 268# I don't think its a huge deal, just the typical stupidity often encountered in the world, not to mention they are HS kids.
 
The bike to school I do not get in the way you are telling the story.
In this case, and I admit I'm guessing based off of common sense and logic, it seems pretty clear the chant was based on the assumption, ignorance and stupidity that the other kids were NOT americans. But see my post 268# I don't think its a huge deal, just the typical stupidity often encountered in the world, not to mention they are HS kids.

Actually, the bike flag story was not the one I was thinking of. My bad. It was this one;

Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees | NBC Bay Area

Where students were told that it was disrespectful to wear American flag t-shirts in an American school on Cinco de Mayo and made to go home to change. My question, at the time, was how is the American flag disrespectful to Mexico? We're not at war that I'm aware of or anything.
 
Actually, the bike flag story was not the one I was thinking of. My bad. It was this one;

Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees | NBC Bay Area

Where students were told that it was disrespectful to wear American flag t-shirts in an American school on Cinco de Mayo and made to go home to change. My question, at the time, was how is the American flag disrespectful to Mexico? We're not at war that I'm aware of or anything.

Oh I remember this story, I didn't read your article but I read some in the past so correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't there a history of issues between the students (even during the prior year) and didn't students purposely plan to wear their shirts on this day?

If that's true and I'm the principle I do the exact same thing for my school, I control my students, and avoid conflict especially when it seems to be a clear instigation. Also if this is a problem in my school the same rule goes in reverse on 4th of July etc and if its to bad there will be no wearing of flags in my school period.

Now again that's in this case, I think everything is circumstantial, if I run a school that happens to wear american flags often, I do nothing about it.
 
Oh I remember this story, I didn't read your article but I read some in the past so correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't there a history of issues between the students (even during the prior year) and didn't students purposely plan to wear their shirts on this day?

If that's true and I'm the principle I do the exact same thing for my school, I control my students, and avoid conflict especially when it seems to be a clear instigation. Also if this is a problem in my school the same rule goes in reverse on 4th of July etc and if its to bad there will be no wearing of flags in my school period.

Now again that's in this case, I think everything is circumstantial, if I run a school that happens to wear american flags often, I do nothing about it.

Oh, I'm sure the kids wore them on that day on purpose. Iirc, a couple had bandanas too. My question is far more fundamental. Why should the American flag be considered disrespectful to Mexico? Why would that be any kind of instigation, especially in the US?
 
Did you read what I posted? I am arguing that this thing is not racist

I didn't mean to sound as if I was arguing with you. I was attempting to continue your thought. Sorry.


Racist? Yes definitely for "some" involved.

This reminds me when morons were trolling sports boards in the past when Argentina won the Olympics for basketball. These numbnuts were posting "white power!!! Argentina beat those blacks!!!"

This was the purest example of stupidity I've ever seen since anybody that is truly racist AND/OR educated understands that any country in SOUTH AMERICA isn't exactly "white"

Respectfully, you might want to spend some time looking into the definitions of "race" versus "ethnicity" or "nationality" or "heritage", etc. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I'm pretty sure that while you fairly well demonstrated an example of someone being racist (cheering for a team of whites over blacks because of race), you also seem to be off a beat when you try to equate South America with being or not being Caucasian. Did you know that there are Caucasians in Africa, too?

Clearly, the teenagers were being prejudicial based on "you're not from here" or "you're different" or "your parents are illegal" or even "we don't like the Hispanic culture", but until Latino/Hispanic is determined to be a race instead of an ethnicity, it's not racism.
 
Are you able to describe the prejudice? I'd like to hear what you say about it.

I'm prejudice against anyone who isn't me. After all, I choose to treat everyone either better or worse than myself based on their value compared to me as I define it.

They chanted at the other team to show they liked their own team better. They determined their worth, not based on who won or lost, but on a different set of preconceptions. Therefore, they were prejudicial in some way. Was the value determined because of the school they attended? Of the culture they embraced? Of preconceptions regarding heritage? You'd have to ask them. All I'm saying is that it would be nearly impossible to say it wasn't prejudicial and totally impossible to say it was racist.
 
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