• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game

Sure, but that too depends on context. Let's take this situation for example. The folks who don't see this situation as offensive are ignoring context. Pretty obvious in every post. Would you consider it reasonable to ignore context when assessing whether something is offensive or not?

Apparently the coach of the "white" team tried to hush the crowd.
 
Well that depends, I think. Context is important if we're talking about something being subjectively offensive. Content is more important for things that could be said to be objectively offensive. For example, someone who disdains Christianity could call me Christian and mean it in the worst possible way, and subjectively, I may even find it insulting in the way they used or said it, yet objectively, the word itself is not offensive. By the same token, I may not take offense to something that's a clear insult. See what I mean?

Yes... and it sounds like you would not consider it reasonable to ignore context when assessing whether something is offensive or not.
 
Point is that your point is irrelevant.

Actually, it isn't that simple. It's only that simple to those who choose to ignore why that might happen.

You still seem to be ignoring context... not coincidentally.


All the above are without any basis whatsoever and are inferring that I am a racist which is rather unfortunate as you have no idea who I am, what I stand for and actually what I have done regarding civil rights in my lifetime.

Hate and racial tension are big business for civil rights law firms.

The school, through it's employees, stopped those few students who were not part of the team from continuing. If the school allowed this to continue then I see a problem. That is what a law firm would look at.
 
All the above are without any basis whatsoever and are inferring that I am a racist which is rather unfortunate as you have no idea who I am, what I stand for and actually what I have done regarding civil rights in my lifetime.

This comment is ironic. I never inferred you were a racist, nor do I believe that. Firstly, I don't know you well enough to assume anything like that about you, and secondly, I've already said in this thread that what occurred was not racism.

Beyond that, you did not comment on the content of what I said. Your comments ignored context of what occurred.
 
This comment is ironic. I never inferred you were a racist, nor do I believe that. Firstly, I don't know you well enough to assume anything like that about you, and secondly, I've already said in this thread that what occurred was not racism.

Beyond that, you did not comment on the content of what I said. Your comments ignored context of what occurred.
Your comments did infer that I was a racist and were a personal attack which I find quite distasteful on your part.

I am looking at the facts of the incident in context with the history of the school and the comments USA USA Arizona Arizona. I am looking at who said what to whom , the specific actors involved, whether the school endorsed this behavior and how long this behavior was allowed to go on. What I find is that, while those students may have been racially motivated or may not, the school quelled such activity. That is key here.
 
Your comments did infer that I was a racist and were a personal attack which I find quite distasteful on your part.

Not in the least. I challenged you to look at how context fits into the scenario.

I am looking at the facts of the incident in context with the history of the school and the comments USA USA Arizona Arizona. I am looking at who said what to whom , the specific actors involved, whether the school endorsed this behavior and how long this behavior was allowed to go on. What I find is that, while those students may have been racially motivated or may not, the school quelled such activity. That is key here.

Actually, that's not what you were doing, earlier, at all. Here... let me remind you:

The students from the losing school were from the United States it appears. I would hear this a overt act of nationalism and nothing more. Perhaps the other school should not be sore losers and accept that if they are to be considered Americans they should not take every word stated at a basketball game as a racial slight.

Point is if you consider yourself American then no one can tell you that you are not. Nonsense and oversensitivity.

Here, you dismiss the scenario as being an act of nationalism (which makes no sense since both teams were from the US), and ignore the context of what occurred.

This what occurred, some student members who were in the stands stated USA USA. They were reprimanded and the other team received an apology. It really is that simple.

Here, you simplify the situation to ignore what the reasons might be for students to chant "USA, USA" when both teams are from the USA. No "questioning" of whether there is racial motivation.

If the losing school had won and there were hecklers shouting USA USA I wonder if there would have been this uproar. Probably not, the hecklers would have been viewed as sore loser and forgotten.

And here, you AGAIN ignore context of why the students might have chanted what they did, not addressing whether there was racial motivation or not.

So, no, perhaps you are doing what you are claiming NOW, but from the posts that I commented on, you did not.
 
Not in the least. I challenged you to look at how context fits into the scenario.

This is a change in your tenor. Bottom line no one call me a racist.



Actually, that's not what you were doing, earlier, at all. Here... let me remind you:



Here, you dismiss the scenario as being an act of nationalism (which makes no sense since both teams were from the US), and ignore the context of what occurred.



Here, you simplify the situation to ignore what the reasons might be for students to chant "USA, USA" when both teams are from the USA. No "questioning" of whether there is racial motivation.



And here, you AGAIN ignore context of why the students might have chanted what they did, not addressing whether there was racial motivation or not.

So, no, perhaps you are doing what you are claiming NOW, but from the posts that I commented on, you did not.

I have been analyzing this and looking at different motivations, scenarios and attempting to discuss and a level where all possible avenues could be seen, as other posters have. While racism is alive as well in the US and throughout the world not every comment can be taken on the same level. We do not know exactly why those several student said what they said . Were they freshman, what level were they, how old were they, did they actually mean it to be racist, what did the school do. More importantly , what impact does this have on those receiving the message and how does their school assist them in processing and overcoming this situation and those words which clearly have a history.
 
This is a change in your tenor. Bottom line no one call me a racist.

Bottom line I didn't call you a racist; that would be an idiotic assumption, completely baseless. Not something I do. And my tenor is nearly always confrontational to one degree or another.

I have been analyzing this and looking at different motivations, scenarios and attempting to discuss and a level where all possible avenues could be seen, as other posters have. While racism is alive as well in the US and throughout the world not every comment can be taken on the same level. We do not know exactly why those several student said what they said . Were they freshman, what level were they, how old were they, did they actually mean it to be racist, what did the school do. More importantly , what impact does this have on those receiving the message and how does their school assist them in processing and overcoming this situation and those words which clearly have a history.

OK, well THIS is a different tenor than you had earlier. Reasonable questions and explorations.
 
Bottom line I didn't call you a racist; that would be an idiotic assumption, completely baseless. Not something I do. And my tenor is nearly always confrontational to one degree or another.

In all situations, interpretation in the mind of the beholder. What has been said cannot be taken away, only explained. Such is the situation in the OP.



OK, well THIS is a different tenor than you had earlier. Reasonable questions and explorations.
I ask questions Captain. I try, painstaking , to find out what the true meaning of what transpired especially when it come to teenagers, racism and the rights of others. I would think DB is the place to do it...:)
 
Yes... and it sounds like you would not consider it reasonable to ignore context when assessing whether something is offensive or not.

I'd agree that things should always be taken in context. I always say that details do matter, and I think I do understand what you're getting at. You're not saying we must agree that chanting "USA" is patently offensive, you're just saying to look at all the circumstances before drawing any conclusions. Is that right?
 
Hate and racial tension are big business for civil rights law firms.

What is your next deep insight? Drugs and murder are big business for criminal law firms?
 
Racism may be strong a term. How about "These students are COMPLETE ****ING MORONS who need a lesson in remedial geography." I weep for the educational system in Texas, if this is what it produces.

The Edison kids should have chanted USA louder....
 
Well, it's obvious, isn't it? You chant USA at the other school because you don't believe their students are 'Real Americans'. It's the standard Republican response to hispanics. Post like the OP are also pretty standard in response to incidents like this.

If that's what they intended, then yes. It's quite racist. To suggest chant "USA" in opposition to a team made up of a different race to suggest that they are not real Americans based on their race is racist. If, however, the chant was not meant for that purpose, and the coach jumped the gun in silencing people who were just displaying some affection for their country, then the coach was in the wrong.

Bigotry isn't really about what you say. It's about why you say it.
 
This is a really stupid topic but I can't resist getting into a stupid thread....

First, what "color" or race is a hispanic?

If all these students were in this country legally and/or US citizens, why weren't they ALL chanting "USA"?

I wonder what the other school's students meant by calling the winning school students "Alamo whites"? Was that just racist or a death threat? This was in San Antonio where mexicans slaughtered Alamo whites, was it not?

Now the fun one: If the other team had won and there was a chant of "mexico, mexico" would we have ever heard about it?
 
Obviously that school district needs to be looked into. If the students had been properly educated they would of shouted "Remember the Alamo!". Dang, and that school district is in San Antonio also, the site of the Alamo.
 
Obviously that school district needs to be looked into. If the students had been properly educated they would of shouted "Remember the Alamo!". Dang, and that school district is in San Antonio also, the site of the Alamo.

texican, texican, texican
 
So now we are enforcing racism charges on an assumption of intention....Wonderful....What's next? 'I know what you are thinking, officer, arrest him!'


j-mac
 
So now we are enforcing racism charges on an assumption of intention....Wonderful....What's next? 'I know what you are thinking, officer, arrest him!'


j-mac
nothing so severe

instead we deny the students access to their next basketball game because they dared chant "USA, USA, USA"
we must teach them never to evoke such expressions [/s]
 
U.S. News - Racist? Texas high school apologizes for fans' 'USA!' chant after basketball game



Hmmm, I didn't know that the USA consisted of white people only.

What really burns my blood is that you can not possibly imagine the stuff my daughter has heard playing basketball and running in track meets at predominantly black schools, but MSNBC wouldn't be the least bit interested in a story like that.

Double standards run amuck.
More pandering to political correctness. Nowadays there's more controversy over saying you love your country than there is over burning an American flag or changing "f*ck" America - it's really sad that we've stooped this low. Even some countries in Europe (like Switzerland) are more patriotic than America is today.
 
Two bits, four bits, six bits, a dollar.

All for the Gringos, jump up and holler!
 
In all situations, interpretation in the mind of the beholder. What has been said cannot be taken away, only explained. Such is the situation in the OP.

Interpretation needs to have context. There were no implications of racism in any of my comments. YOU created that. In the OP, there were certainly implications of offense.

I ask questions Captain. I try, painstaking , to find out what the true meaning of what transpired especially when it come to teenagers, racism and the rights of others. I would think DB is the place to do it...:)

The three posts of yours that I reposted were NOT you asking questions. They were you making statements. You're backtracking.
 
Two bits, four bits, six bits, a dollar.

All for the Gringos, jump up and holler!
Sorry that "Gringos" have contributed more to to this country as a whole than "beaners" have.
 
Back
Top Bottom