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Florida mulls outlaw of Shariah, other foreign laws;

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Florida mulls outlaw of Shariah, other foreign laws; critics say bill addresses made-up threat - The Washington Post

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A measure to ban the use of foreign laws in domestic courtrooms is progressing in Florida’s statehouse, one of dozens of similar efforts across the country that critics call an unwarranted campaign driven by fear of Muslims.

Forty such bills are being pursued in 24 states, according to a tally by the National Conference of State Legislatures, a movement backers say is a response to a glaring hole in legal protections for Americans. Opponents say the bills simply address a made-up threat and could threaten agreements made under Jewish or other religious law.
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This has nothing to do with a fear of anyone. That is hyperbole. I admit it is directed mainly at Sharia Law, but it also would eliminate the Biblical Law arguments against SSM etc.

American should be governed by American laws and no others.
 
Chiefgator said:
This has nothing to do with a fear of anyone. That is hyperbole. I admit it is directed mainly at Sharia Law, but it also would eliminate the Biblical Law arguments against SSM etc.

American should be governed by American laws and no others.
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It is out of fear, because we don't have laws that are allowed simply because it's in the bible. This is aimed at Shariah law and nothing more. It's a waste of time.

Since I don't live in Florida, I don't really care. However, if my state were to waste time and money on this I would be upset.
 
I agree with passing laws that ban religious and foreign laws.The only laws an American judge should consider are American laws.Judges dealing with law suits involving forign companies should still only use American laws. If you want some religious rites carried out when you die then write them specially in a will or contract.I am sure some globalist scum will boo this law and say its based on fear mongering.
 
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jamesrage said:
I agree with passing laws that ban religious and foreign laws.The only laws an American judge should consider are American laws.Judges dealing with law suits involving forign companies should still only use American laws. If you want some religious rites carried out when you die then write them specially in a will or contract.I am sure some globalist scum will boo this law and say its based on fear mongering.
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Opposing this law because its inspired by fear makes me globalist scum? What the hell that wasn't what I signed up when I made my own opinion, how come you get to label me!
 
The study’s findings suggest that Shariah law has entered into state court decisions, in conflict with the Constitution and state public policy. Some commentators have said there are no more than one or two cases of Shariah law in U.S. state court cases; yet we found 50 significant cases just from the small sample of appellate published cases.
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Shariah in American Courts
The source is clearly not the most unbiased, but the numbers are there.
 
This legislation is nonsense. The message I glean from it is that this is a prophylactic measure to head off any type of push by various Islamist communities in attempting to have civil law set aside by Sharia law in the courtroom. However, a judge should not cite any religious law to decide a case before him/her as the Constitution prohibits such activity.

For example,

The Islamic Circle of North America, a New York-based group, is spending $3 million on its Defending Religious Freedom campaign, which kicks off Monday and explains Sharia law and common misunderstandings to everyday Americans. Sharia law guides Islamic life, from praying five times a day to fasting during the holy month of Ramadan and abstaining from pork, alcohol and sex outside of marriage. Sharia has also been cited as a justification for violent, sometimes deadly punishments for minor crimes in majority-Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia.

The Defending Religious Freedom website says "American Muslims...are more interested in the role of Sharia in "praying, fasting and alms-giving, as well as divorce, burials and inheritance."

"There are certain words that, if people use them in the Arabic language it becomes a dirty word, but if people take the time to understand what Sharia is about, they would not have a problem," said Magid. "When people talk about criminal law in the Quran, none of the Muslims say they want that legal code in America. What we are saying is that in the private life of a Muslim, nobody should impose on them how to conduct a marriage or preside over a funeral. Instead of using the word Sharia, we should use the words 'Muslim values' or 'Islamic values.'"
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Sharia Law Campaign Begins As Muslim Group Fights Bans

In another case, where a judge in Florida has decided that Islamic law should be used, "The mosque believes wholeheartedly in the Koran and its teachings...they certainly follow Islamic law in connection with their spiritual endeavors. But with respect to secular endeavors, they believe Florida law should apply in Florida courts..

Judge orders use of Islamic law in Tampa lawsuit over mosque leadership - Tampa Bay Times
 
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and that makes it legitiment how?
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Because the guy I was responding to said it was not his state therefor he did not care... It is NOT just one state. It is 24. (25 was a misprint on my part)

And that guy was YOU .... So it may just impact you.
 
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Chiefgator said:
Because the guy I was responding to said it was not his state therefor he did not care... It is NOT just one state. It is 24. (25 was a misprint on my part)

And that guy was YOU .... So it may just impact you.
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It's not in the state I live in so it doesn't, which is why I said it.

So again, that makes it legitament how? Does 25 states doing something stupid automatically make something legitiment? No, it doesn't.
 
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Connery said:
This legislation is nonsense. The message I glean from it is that this is a prophylactic measure to head off any type of push by various Islamist communities in attempting to have civil law set aside by Sharia law in the courtroom. However, a judge should not cite any religious law to decide a case before him/her as the Constitution prohibits such activity.

For example,


Sharia Law Campaign Begins As Muslim Group Fights Bans

In another case, where a judge in Florida has decided that Islamic law should be used, "The mosque believes wholeheartedly in the Koran and its teachings...they certainly follow Islamic law in connection with their spiritual endeavors. But with respect to secular endeavors, they believe Florida law should apply in Florida courts..

Judge orders use of Islamic law in Tampa lawsuit over mosque leadership - Tampa Bay Times
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Your key is SHOULD. But they do not always do so. This law would require them to follow the American law. From the link I cite above:
Orhers have asserted with certainty that state court judges will always reject any foreign law, including Shariah law, when it conflicts with the Constitution or state public policy; yet we found 15 Trial Court cases, and 12 Appellate Court cases, where Shariah was found to be applicable in these particular cases. The facts are the facts: some judges are making decisions deferring to Shariah law even when those decisions conflict with Constitutional protections.
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TheNextEra said:
It's not in the state I live in so it doesn't, which is why I said it.

So again, that makes it legitiament how? Does 25 states doing something stupid automatically make something legitiment? No, it doesn't.
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I do not know if you are in one of the 24 states. I am just pointing out that it may affect you....

Also, if 24 states have similar legislation, it shows that it is not a small fringe movement.
 
Chiefgator said:
I do not know if you are in one of the 24 states. I am just pointing out that it may affect you....

Also, if 24 states have similar legislation, it shows that it is not a small fringe movement.
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And should my state do something as stupid as this and waste taxpayers time and money on something so stupid as this I will vote against them in an election.

I never said it was a small fringe movement, I said it was a waste of time and money.
 
TheNextEra said:
And should my state do something as stupid as this and waste taxpayers time and money on something so stupid as this I will vote against them in an election.

I never said it was a small fringe movement, I said it was a waste of time and money.
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And where did I say your state should do anything???
 
They should outlaw mulling. They're obviously not very good at it.
 
if they can outlaw Sharia law, then they can outlaw Kosher law.

slippery slope, folks.
 
There are also 4 other states that have already passed a similar law. When over half of the state legislatures have an interest in something, it is a legitimate topic.

You may not feel it is a legitimate issue, but that is why we discuss things.
 
Chiefgator said:
There are also 4 other states that have already passed a similar law. When over half of the state legislatures have an interest in something, it is a legitimate topic.

You may not feel it is a legitimate issue, but that is why we discuss things.
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And it isn't legitimate just because you say so. Keep that in mind as well.
 
Chiefgator said:
Florida mulls outlaw of Shariah, other foreign laws; critics say bill addresses made-up threat - The Washington Post

This has nothing to do with a fear of anyone. That is hyperbole. I admit it is directed mainly at Sharia Law, but it also would eliminate the Biblical Law arguments against SSM etc.

American should be governed by American laws and no others.
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If these kinds of laws are passed, what it may do, and be aimed at, is dis-allowing a defense attorney using an argument that says, "But it's legal in Iran. It's their culture, their religion." If that's the reason, I'm all for it.
 
MaggieD said:
If these kinds of laws are passed, what it may do, and be aimed at, is dis-allowing a defense attorney using an argument that says, "But it's legal in Iran. It's their culture, their religion." If that's the reason, I'm all for it.
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They cannot use that argument now.
 
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