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North Korea agrees to nuclear moratorium

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From BBC:

North Korea has agreed to suspend uranium enrichment, as well as nuclear and long-range missile tests, following talks with the US.

The US State Department said Pyongyang had also agreed to allow UN inspectors to monitor its reactor in Yongbyon to verify compliance with the measures.
In return, the US is finalising 240,000 tonnes of food aid for the North.

BBC News - North Korea agrees to nuclear moratorium

It's good to know that the new leadership is starting off with responsible decisions. Hopefully, this will continue.
 
I could be wrong but it always seems that North Korea does something in order to get bribed with food to stop doing it.
 
From BBC:

It's good to know that the new leadership is starting off with responsible decisions. Hopefully, this will continue.

This is good news. I wonder how much American taxpayers are going to have to pony up in terms of foreign aid.

Edit: I see. We've promised them an immediate 200,000 tons of food. Probably only the beginning...

North Korea agreed in 2005 to give up its nuclear ambitions in return for aid and political concessions, as part of a six-nation dialogue process involving the two Koreas, the US, China, Russia and Japan. But progress on the deal was stop-start, and the agreement broke down in 2009.

I guess I won't break out the party hats just yet.
 
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I could be wrong but it always seems that North Korea does something in order to get bribed with food to stop doing it.

I think I saw this, or a similar story, a couple of years, or was it 5, or 10, ago, Basically we are going to send them food, which they need badly, now, and they are going to disarm and cooperate on some issues later.
 
Providing food and implementation of sanctions which were levied in 2008 apparently has worked, although I would like to see some time pass before there is some declaration of victory. Better than armed threats and testosterone driven responses.

On June 26, 2008, the President issued Executive Order 13466 (“E.O. 13466”), pursuant to the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (“IEEPA”). In E.O. 13466, the President declared a national emergency to deal with the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States constituted by the current existence and risk of the proliferation of weapons-usable fissile material on the Korean Peninsula, and continued certain restrictions with respect to North Korea that had been imposed under the authority of the Trading With the Enemy Act (“TWEA”). Also on June 26, 2008, the President signed Proclamation 8271, terminating the application of TWEA authorities with respect to North Korea, effective June 27, 2008. The Foreign Assets Control Regulations, 31 C.F.R. part 500, to the extent they were promulgated under TWEA authority, are therefore no longer in force with respect to North Korea.

On August 30, 2010, the President issued Executive Order 13551 (“E.O. 13551”) pursuant to IEEPA and the United Nations Participation Act (the “UNPA”), expanding the scope of the national emergency declared in E.O. 13466 and adding new restrictions.

On April 18, 2011, the President issued Executive Order 13570 (“E.O. 13570”), pursuant to IEEPA and the UNPA, to take additional steps to address the national emergency declared in E.O. 13466 and expanded in E.O. 13551 that will ensure implementation of the import restrictions contained in United Nations Security Council Resolution (“UNSCR”) 1718 of October 14, 2006, and UNSCR 1874 of June 12, 2009, and complement the import restrictions provided for in the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.).

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/nkorea.pdf
 
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Better to drop tons of food on a starving populous than tons of bombs....
 
This is good news. I wonder how much American taxpayers are going to have to pony up in terms of foreign aid.

Edit: I see. We've promised them an immediate 200,000 tons of food. Probably only the beginning...



I guess I won't break out the party hats just yet.

Considering the onbvious secondary option, I vote we save a people from starvation in exchange for an unstable regime giving up the bomb...just seems a no brainer to me. Chances are though, this will end up like the last several tries, and they will start all over again.
 
Our actions sound reasonable. How can we go wrong with food? We're gonna know if they continue the nukes or not anyway. At worse, we could be saying.."and we sent them all that food for nothing."
 
:shrug: Why not just send them food with no strings? That's what it always amounts to. Why the need to claim some empty diplomatic "victory" in the first place?
 
Let's hope under the new leadership, this time the talks can achieve something meaningful.

Because going by previous experience North Korea has not kept its promises.

Fingers crossed!
 
Let's hope under the new leadership, this time the talks can achieve something meaningful./QUOTE]

What new leadership? Kim Jong un, 29, is the son of Kim Jong il, and the grandson of Kim il Sung, and is aided in his leadership by il's sister and an uncle.
 
Let's hope under the new leadership, this time the talks can achieve something meaningful./QUOTE]

What new leadership? Kim Jong un, 29, is the son of Kim Jong il, and the grandson of Kim il Sung, and is aided in his leadership by il's sister and an uncle.


You are correct.

The Army and the family have an unknown amount of power over the new leader, but it is possible they may see this as an opportunity to change tactics and strategies seeing that they are no longer influenced by the instrumental leadership of Kim Jong-il.
 
I am glad that the US is working with Kim Jong Un to help the people in N Korea. I am glad that Un has agreed to put the people of his country ahead of his pride. This is great news.
 
Lil' Kim seems like an intelligent young man. I say let's give him a hand.
 
Lil' Kim seems like an intelligent young man. I say let's give him a hand.

I've never met him, how would I know? I do know that the word of most third world country leaders is basically worth nothing.

I say let's do the inspections and the other conditions first, then send the food.
 
Our actions sound reasonable. How can we go wrong with food? We're gonna know if they continue the nukes or not anyway. At worse, we could be saying.."and we sent them all that food for nothing. and it fed a lot of horrifyingly, desperately, inhumanly poor people."

Fixed that one for ya!
 
I've never met him, how would I know? I do know that the word of most third world country leaders is basically worth nothing.

I say let's do the inspections and the other conditions first, then send the food.

They have nukes. They figured out how to make them rather quickly after W Bush called them part of the Axis of Evil. They just said that they will cease production of more nukes. If they have enough already, why wouldn't they really cease production?
 
North Korea announced plans Friday to blast a satellite into space on the back of a long-range rocket, a provocative move that could jeopardize a weeks-old agreement with the U.S. to exchange food aid for nuclear concessions.

And so there it goes the NK moratorium :shrug:

Friday, March 16, 2012
North Korea plans to launch long-range rocket - Washington Times
 
From BBC:



It's good to know that the new leadership is starting off with responsible decisions. Hopefully, this will continue.


How many times has N. Korea said: "I'll be good, I'll be good, just give us money and food". Then it's back to square one. What is the trade off with them?
I know we've played this game with them 10 or more times.
 
I really dont understand why the food talks are on the brink because a satalite is going to launch
 
North Korea announced plans Friday to blast a satellite into space on the back of a long-range rocket, a provocative move that could jeopardize a weeks-old agreement with the U.S. to exchange food aid for nuclear concessions.

And so there it goes the NK moratorium :shrug:

Friday, March 16, 2012
North Korea plans to launch long-range rocket - Washington Times
This is unfortunate, mostly for the North Korean people, even if it will only get 100 feet in the air.
 
I really dont understand why the food talks are on the brink because a satalite is going to launch
Because the US only agreed to give food on the condition that North Korea does not launch any long range missiles.
 
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