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Anonymous Declares War on the US Government

MOrion said:
They did, however, sign their names to the Declaration of Independence, which would have meant death for them if the Brits had found them, or if we had lost the Revolution and the Brits caught up to them later. They may have used secrecy, but they still put themselves behind the cause of America publicly.

Unlike these anonymous idiots, who can claim ignorance if they are ever found.
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You missed the first four words of my post!

Prior to July 1776 ...
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For example: When was the Boston Tea Party?

Do you honestly think the idea of a Declaration of Independence sprung up out of the ground from some tavern get together one Friday night and was signed a few days later? Com'on, man, the Revolution started long before 2 July, 1776 - it just wasn't formal until then.


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I guess it wasn't "formal" until it was actually adopted on 4 July.
 
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jamesrage said:
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Alright... what the **** did I just read?
 
Thunder said:
and what if they simply do what other want them to do, but not you?
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I would be more angry at a politicians who legislates the way I would want him to but was elected by those I disagree with than I would be at a politician who legislates a way I disagree with and was elected by those I disagree with.
 
Thunder said:
I should hope not, as our Founding Fathers were great men, way ahead of their time, of immense vision. Anonymous are just a bunch of loser malcontents, who could never make it in life, so instead they seek to make the lives of everyone else miserable....cause their misery desperately desires company. Just like the rest of the pseudo-revolutionaries on the net.

yes folks, you may quote these words as your own.
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The Founding Fathers were not great and so rebelled against the tyranny of the government that abused them.

The Founding Fathers were great because they rebelled against the tyranny of the government that abused them.
 
MoSurveyor said:
You missed the first four words of my post!

For example: When was the Boston Tea Party?

Do you honestly think the idea of a Declaration of Independence sprung up out of the ground from some tavern get together one Friday night and was signed a few days later? Com'on, man, the Revolution started long before 2 July, 1776 - it just wasn't formal until then.


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I guess it wasn't "formal" until it was actually adopted on 4 July.
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The Battles of Lexington and Concord were the first military engagements of the American Revolution and were fought in April of 1775, a full year before the Declaration of Independence.

That first year of the revolution was fought by American colonists against British oppression, but it wasn't until the Declaration that the Continental Congress decided on what the colonies were fighting for - to fully assert their rights as Englishmen or to self-govern in their own right.

Prior to the Declaration of Independence, there were many forays between the Continental Congress and the British Parliament in order to cease hostilities. In fact, there was one proposal in which the American colonies would be allowed to vote for seats in Parliament, and another proposal in which the American colonies would have their own separate parliament and remain in the British Empire.

So if arguments went just a little differently in the Continental Congress, we could still be a part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland, and North America.
 
MoSurveyor said:
You missed the first four words of my post!

For example: When was the Boston Tea Party?

Do you honestly think the idea of a Declaration of Independence sprung up out of the ground from some tavern get together one Friday night and was signed a few days later? Com'on, man, the Revolution started long before 2 July, 1776 - it just wasn't formal until then.


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I guess it wasn't "formal" until it was actually adopted on 4 July.
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And when the people behind anonymous put forward their names and stand in public, then perhaps I would consider judging them as having the same mettle as the Founders. Remember, people did not revere the Founders before 1776 either.
 
Hatuey said:
Alright... what the **** did I just read?
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I got to the "French researcher who studied men and women having sex inside an MRI scanner" before I had to close the article out. What's wrong with CBS?
 
If those punk-ass kids stop thinking that their Ddos attacks are sophisticated and try to live off their mother's basement, then I'll think that they have a <1% chance of achieving their goal. Right now, it's <0%
 
MOrion said:
And when the people behind anonymous put forward their names and stand in public, then perhaps I would consider judging them as having the same mettle as the Founders. Remember, people did not revere the Founders before 1776 either.
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But until July 1776 the Revolutionaries were just "little cowards", right???
It's a damn good thing for us they were carrying on the war anyway!

And should we also condemn SEALS, Marine snipers, and other special forces? They don't advertise their presence, either, and even though I could be wrong I bet you won't find a list of SEAL members on-line anywhere.
(And my apologies to the SEALS if I am wrong.)
 
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MoSurveyor said:
But until July 1776 the Revolutionaries were just "little cowards", right???
It's a damn good thing for us they were carrying on the war anyway!

And should we also condemn SEALS, Marine snipers, and other special forces? They don't advertise their presence, either, and even though I could be wrong I bet you won't find a list of SEAL members on-line anywhere.
(And my apologies to the SEALS if I am wrong.)
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No, you are not wrong about the SEALS; their identities are kept secret.

But there is a big difference between the SEALS, Marines, other SF's, and these script kiddies: our men (and women) in uniform are supporting the current government, whereas anonymous is trying to take it down. Our military men are not striving to be revolutionaries, and therefore, they are not judged by those standards. They are not trying to change the future of the entire country (world), and therefore they do not need to make themselves known, and the job that they do is more than enough to earn respect from me.

Contrast this with anonymous, who hide behind computer screens and whose main weapon is the DDoS attack, which has all the sophistication of IM YELLING SO LOUD THAT YOU CAN'T HEAR YOURSELF ANYMORE LALALALALALALALALAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!11

These kids are pushing us towards revolution, and as far as I can tell, they have no plan as for how it should all end up. If they did, I'd speak differently of them, but they don't, so . . .

Now, at this point in the game of course, our Founding Fathers hadn't articulated their plan to the public either - which is why I reserve the right to change my mind about anonymous. They might end up surprising me. Our Founding Fathers' actions in 1776 showed that they were never cowards, because they did eventually put forth their names . . . before the fight was won. And I would change my opinion of the anonymous group if they were to do the same.
 
MOrion said:
No, you are not wrong about the SEALS; their identities are kept secret.

But there is a big difference between the SEALS, Marines, other SF's, and these script kiddies: our men (and women) in uniform are supporting the current government, whereas anonymous is trying to take it down. Our military men are not striving to be revolutionaries, and therefore, they are not judged by those standards. They are not trying to change the future of the entire country (world), and therefore they do not need to make themselves known, and the job that they do is more than enough to earn respect from me.

Contrast this with anonymous, who hide behind computer screens and whose main weapon is the DDoS attack, which has all the sophistication of IM YELLING SO LOUD THAT YOU CAN'T HEAR YOURSELF ANYMORE LALALALALALALALALAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!11

These kids are pushing us towards revolution, and as far as I can tell, they have no plan as for how it should all end up. If they did, I'd speak differently of them, but they don't, so . . .

Now, at this point in the game of course, our Founding Fathers hadn't articulated their plan to the public either - which is why I reserve the right to change my mind about anonymous. They might end up surprising me. Our Founding Fathers' actions in 1776 showed that they were never cowards, because they did eventually put forth their names . . . before the fight was won. And I would change my opinion of the anonymous group if they were to do the same.
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I have the utmost respect for the military and I think I've made that plain enough in all my posts. What you seem to be missing is that war is war regardless of which side you're on. You don't give the enemy anything, not information, not supplies, not people, not land, nothing. That's what war is. Those who think otherwise lose.

Continuously calling the Anonymous people "kids", along with the various adjectives you've put with that term, doesn't do anything to convince me you have a handle on the facts. Washington had a lot of young, green men in his army, too, it didn't make them any less soldiers. I'm not saying I'm cheering Anonymous on in whatever they're doing now because I think their goals have changed recently. But I'm also not going to believe they're just a bunch of punks out to have a good time at our expense. That kind of thinking is what got the British booted out.
 
MoSurveyor said:
I have the utmost respect for the military and I think I've made that plain enough in all my posts. What you seem to be missing is that war is war regardless of which side you're on. You don't give the enemy anything, not information, not supplies, not people, not land, nothing. That's what war is. Those who think otherwise lose.
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And you also don't declare war . . . you just attack. As was mentioned in an earlier post, if anonymous wanted people to take them seriously as a threat, forget this faux drama of "declaring war" and just hit us with your version of 9-11. We'd get the message, and also have a demonstration of their capabilities. As it is though, they just made some anti-government noise and retreated back into hiding.

MoSurveyor said:
Continuously calling the Anonymous people "kids", along with the various adjectives you've put with that term, doesn't do anything to convince me you have a handle on the facts. Washington had a lot of young, green men in his army, too, it didn't make them any less soldiers. I'm not saying I'm cheering Anonymous on in whatever they're doing now because I think their goals have changed recently. But I'm also not going to believe they're just a bunch of punks out to have a good time at our expense. That kind of thinking is what got the British booted out.
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Well, if they want me to think of them as more than just "kids," they need to do something impressive. They've hacked a few websites, HBGary - and that's something - they also recorded a phone call from the FBI to Scotland Yard . . . but other than that, I don't really see anything that would make me think they can back up all this bluster they've thrown about with their declaration of war.

Like I said, I reserve the right to change my mind about them, but so far, they rank equally to protesters in my book, and nowhere near the level of our military men and women, or the Founding Fathers.

Still better than most couch-bound Americans, though . . . You've got to give them that.
 
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MOrion said:
And you also don't declare war . . . you just attack. As was mentioned in an earlier post, if anonymous wanted people to take them seriously as a threat, forget this faux drama of "declaring war" and just hit us with your version of 9-11. We'd get the message, and also have a demonstration of their capabilities. As it is though, they just made some anti-government noise and retreated back into hiding.


Well, if they want me to think of them as more than just "kids," they need to do something impressive. They've hacked a few websites, HBGary - and that's something - they also recorded a phone call from the FBI to Scotland Yard . . . but other than that, I don't really see anything that would make me think they can back up all this bluster they've thrown about with their declaration of war.

Like I said, I reserve the right to change my mind about them, but so far, they rank equally to protesters in my book, and nowhere near the level of our military men and women, or the Founding Fathers.

Still better than most couch-bound Americans, though . . . You've got to give them that.
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Never heard of psych warfare, huh? It's pretty common not only in warfare but almost any competition - even athletes use it. :shrug:
 
MoSurveyor said:
Never heard of psych warfare, huh? It's pretty common not only in warfare but almost any competition - even athletes use it. :shrug:
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Oh yeah, big bad anonynous has me tremblin' in my boots. They declared war on our government . . . I guess I'd better just pack it in now . . . :lamo
 
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Hatuey said:
Good stuff. Label them all traitors and terrorists and send their little asses to jail. After about a week of getting ****ed by Jermain's big black dick, they'll change their minds.
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I see, so you think the predominance of stereotypical big black homosexuals in prisons, exists?
 
In case anyone missed it

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/07/technology/lulzsec-hacking-suspects-are-arrested.html
An outspoken member of a loosely knit group of hackers that calls itself Lulz Security pleaded guilty to breaking into the computer systems of several prominent American companies, according to federal court papers unsealed Tuesday in New York.

Hector Xavier Monsegur, who operated under the Twitter handle The Real Sabu, was charged with 12 criminal counts of hacking into unauthorized computers, the Justice Department said, adding that he had been cooperating with law enforcement officials for several months.

Authorities in Britain, Ireland and Chicago arrested five suspected hackers affiliated with Lulz Security, or LulzSec, which is an offshoot of the banner group called Anonymous.
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When the OWS movement first started, my hypotheses was that the US government would combat it in ways that were unfavorable in most Americans' eyes, as the issues themselves are unpalatable (wealth inequality) in the governments eyes. That hasn't really happened yet, but I still believe that the tides of violence are about to start crashing down on the movement in one way or another, especially now that a faction within the movement has declared War upon the government. We will have to wait and see though. Nevertheless, it does feel as though something is going happen, something bad, me thinks.

I also contended that this movement would challenge the very fabric of everything American: big government, capitalism, democracy.

Does anyone else think that an uprising and/or revolution is at hand?
 
Jango said:
[...] especially now that a faction within the movement has declared War upon the government. [...]
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You think Anonymous is a faction of the OWS movement? You do realize Anonymous has been around for quite a few years?
 
Anyone "worried" about Anon need not worry for the most part now. The de facto leader of the main part of Anon, call Lulzsecs has been working with the FBI for some time now in a deal so that he wasn't taken to prison (away from his children). In the deal he has handed the feds nearly every major member as well as ways to destroy them. Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.
 
'A member of' the OWS movement...
 
Jango said:
'A member of' the OWS movement...
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Sorry but I do not in any way equate Anonymous with OWS. That's like saying you and the guy in the car next to you on the freeway are allied in some way. Except for the fact that you're both traveling the same stretch of road at the same time of day you may have nothing in common.

Grendel said:
But . . . they are. They're only in it for the lulz.
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LOL!
 
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Hi nice information on us government, thanks for sharing keep postings
 
X Factor said:
Anonymous Declares War on the US Government - International Business Times

The video of the statement is at the link. Sounds like they're advocating violent revolution. I remember when people were decrying supposedly violent rhetoric from the TEA party.
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I "declare war" on Anonymous.

Now c'mon media - go print some headlines on me - I'm a random dude sitting at his computer talking about "declaring wars" on random people - so that automatically makes me newsworthy :lol:
 
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