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Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

cpgrad08 said:
The plan it self is not in effect but the dod is getting ready submit there plan to congress.
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And if that is true like other plan changes it will only go into effect for people that join the military after a the date it is approved. Which by the way it will never get approved by Congress unless every member of Congress wants to collect their own pension plan. So right now you are covered under a pension plan and if you spend 20years in you will recieve your pension. So much for your previous incorrect posts.
 
Not really just because you enter before the rule is passed doesn;t mean you will be grandfathered in.
 
cpgrad08 said:
Not really just because you enter before the rule is passed doesn;t mean you will be grandfathered in.
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And it doesn't mean you won't, either. You posted your information as fact, a done deal, which it apparently isn't and may never be.

Thanks smb for pointing that out!
 
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Samhain said:
How do you feel about him protecting you?
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Protecting me from... who? I live in the middle of nowhere. Good luck running into a Taliban insurgency fighter in the middle of Vermont.
 
Hatuey said:
Protecting me from... who? I live in the middle of nowhere. Good luck running into a Taliban insurgency fighter in the middle of Vermont.
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It is possible, I hear Patrick Lehey comes back there from time to time....heh, heh....


j-mac
 
Hicup said:
Do you have any ideas? Why in the world anyone, rational democrat included, would be for the corruptable system of unions and politicians that we have now is beyond me? That goes for any conservative that is for the same cozy relationship between big business and politicians. It's the corruption that Occupiers and Tea Partiers are actually in agreement about, and politicians, and big business would rue the day when Occupiers and TP'ers could put away their political differences to fight the good fight on this one single issue.


Tim-
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Hi Tim; I’ve been away: sorry.

Yes, ideas . . . I like to refer to reasonable conservative ideas in the way of, say American life 1955. Who can argue? This of course does not include advancements in civil rights, medicine etc. What I mean is, decent prices against decent wages; plentiful employment; the strongest trade employment in the country’s history, the highest education standard in the world; plenty of employment for the young: paper routes, gas stations etc etc. The US as the most respected country and society in the world; from strength and benevolent foreign policies.

Social issues as I say are not included in that scenario; only availability and economic realities for working people; one or two income households.

As for the ‘corruptible system of unions and politicians’; I think you’re being a bit unfair to the country: everything is corrupt from one degree to another. Companies are corrupt, banks are corrupt, churches are corrupt, and the list goes on. The degree of corruptness in any system is directly related to the ambitions of that system’s leadership and their relationship to the leaders of other systems: this is how we get things like war and economic national disasters.

What we’ve been finding out around the world (again) is; what happens when said corrupt leaders are allowed to pursue their narcissistic ambitions unchecked without any social counter weights to keep the balance: the United States of America was founded on such a principle. World War I put an end to the unchecked ambitions of empire dating back to the foundations of civilization. Human history is replete with documented examples of such ambitions and the disasters that resulted up to and beyond the Roam Empire . . . The markets -- are corrupt and led by ambitious people who lead in those markets; and this is what you get.

So, it’s not “corruptness perse” that we’re dealing with; what we’re dealing with is a lazy social system that has too many toys . . .

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Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

Given that it was the Republicans who recalled a California Democratic governor and replaced him with Arnold Schwarzenegger, they really have nobody to blame but themselves!

If you want to play political "hardball," eventually your opponents will return the favor.
 
jgarden47 said:
Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

Given that it was the Republicans who recalled a California Democratic governor and replaced him with Arnold Schwarzenegger, they really have nobody to blame but themselves!

If you want to play political "hardball," eventually your opponents will return the favor.
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So, if I have your statement right here, no one should ever challenge their elected officials in our country for fear of reprisal? Is that how America is supposed to work? Or is that you are saying that a demo should never be questioned or demo's will get a republican somewhere else in the country?

What a load of crap.

j-mac
 
excellent, all in all. here's hoping that the DNC and Obama administration spends all of 2012 fighting the Recall Walker Effort over the same pool of donors.
 
j-mac said:
So, if I have your statement right here, no one should ever challenge their elected officials in our country for fear of reprisal? Is that how America is supposed to work? Or is that you are saying that a demo should never be questioned or demo's will get a republican somewhere else in the country?

What a load of crap.

j-mac
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I think the point is that karma's a bitch. If recalling a Democrat is reasonable, then recalling a Republican is too.

Not that I expect you to admit that.
 
rocket88 said:
I think the point is that karma's a bitch. If recalling a Democrat is reasonable, then recalling a Republican is too.

Not that I expect you to admit that.
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Oh, careful there rocky...I don't think ANY politician has a lock on their office if they do something that they were not elected to do, and it causes damage. Walker didn't do that, his recall is pure political spite, and anger from those that 1. didn't vote for him to begin with, and 2. Wouldn't work with him in any situation, and lie, cheat, and steal to get him out.

But no, if a repub did something to warrant a recall, then by all means.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Oh, careful there rocky...I don't think ANY politician has a lock on their office if they do something that they were not elected to do, and it causes damage. Walker didn't do that, his recall is pure political spite, and anger from those that 1. didn't vote for him to begin with, and 2. Wouldn't work with him in any situation, and lie, cheat, and steal to get him out.

But no, if a repub did something to warrant a recall, then by all means.

j-mac
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Walker ****ed Wisconsites. He is a weasel. Plain and simple. He is a **** governor, besides that.

We will vote to recall him. Don't mess with Wisconsin.

There will either enough votes to run him out on a rail or there will not be enough votes. Let's see how democracy works.
 
Captain America said:
Walker ****ed Wisconsites. He is a weasel. Plain and simple. He is a **** governor, besides that.
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OH, I know.....he did what he campaigned on, and pissed off alot of spoiled teachers that feel they are entitled to everything on the taxpayer dime....Be honest Cap, you never voted for him in the first damn place did you?

We will vote to recall him.
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Ok, congratulations.

Don't mess with Wisconsin.
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Oh give me a break...:roll:

There will either enough votes to run him out on a rail or there will not be enough votes. Let's see how democracy works.
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Never let it be said that you are not a master of the obvious brother.


j-mac
 
I knew things about Scott Walker years before he ran for governor. I already had a pretty good idea what kind of weasel he was long before he became governor. He shat on some of our finest police officers for his political gain when he was in charge of the county I live in. I have a soft spot in my heart for police officers, fire fighters and teachers. Walker represents exactly what big government looks like when in the pockets of special interests. We want our governor's special interest to be us.

I wasn't stupid enough to vote for him in the first place. But, the one's that were had no clue what he had in store for them.

Walker's gotta go.
 
Captain America said:
I knew things about Scott Walker years before he ran for governor. I already had a pretty good idea what kind of weasel he was long before he became governor. He shat on some of our finest police officers for his political gain when he was in charge of the county I live in. I have a soft spot in my heart for police officers, fire fighters and teachers. Walker represents exactly what big government looks like when in the pockets of special interests. We want our governor's special interest to be us.

I wasn't stupid enough to vote for him in the first place. But, the one's that were had no clue what he had in store for them.

Walker's gotta go.
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Well imagine my utter shock in hearing someone who didn't, wouldn't vote for someone, wants him out of office....Stunning really. But you mention 'special interests' Who might they be?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Well imagine my utter shock in hearing someone who didn't, wouldn't vote for someone, wants him out of office....Stunning really. But you mention 'special interests' Who might they be?

j-mac
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His special interests are whatever the Koch Brothers and other out of state Sugar Daddy's tell him his special interests are.

But if you're following the walker Plight you may know it all might be a mute point soon. Rumor mill has it that he may have bigger problems than the recall. Stay tuned.....
 
Fletch said:
In what way?
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Imagine going to McDonald's and you order a Big Mac. You come home and there are 2 Taco Bell tacos in your bag instead.

He pulled the wool over the eyes of Wisconsites and we are none to happy about it.

By the way, who on this thread is from Wisconsin? Those who aren't, all due respect, but mind your own goddamn business. This is a WI state issue and Walker may need your out-of-state help, but we don't. We will handle him in our own way and put the brakes on all this out of control rightwing hogwash.
 
Captain America said:
Imagine going to McDonald's and you order a Big Mac. You come home and there are 2 Taco Bell tacos in your bag instead.

He pulled the wool over the eyes of Wisconsites and we are none to happy about it.

By the way, who on this thread is from Wisconsin? Those who aren't, all due respect, but mind your own goddamn business. This is a WI state issue and Walker may need your out-of-state help, but we don't. We will handle him in our own way and put the brakes on all this out of control rightwing hogwash.
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Lets say you get rid of Walker, then what? How will a democrat replacement handle your budget problems?
 
Fletch said:
Lets say you get rid of Walker, then what? How will a democrat replacement handle your budget problems?
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Well, let's not be too certain that Walker's a goner yet. There are some that still stand beside him. Not to mention that we reasonably expect Walker to get a LOT of corporate sugar daddy money from out of state because this, truth be known, is much bigger than Wisconsin. This will set the ball in motion as to how Americans, as a whole, take to the opposing ideas of government for the people or government for the rich and powerful.

Nobody wants to take money out of their pockets and send it elsewhere. Right, left, we all feel that way. But as the old saying goes, "Only two things are sure in life. Death and taxes."

But if it is a forgone conclusion that we all must pay taxes. The problem, it seems to me, lies within that some folks prefer said taxes to go to roads, education, healthcare, defense, and other means of supporting the people who are paying those taxes.

Then there are Americans, equally as valuable, who prefer to take that tax money and give it back to big corporations and big CEO bonuses, send it overseas to buy corporate and political influence, squander the assets of our defenses, (thus requiring more defense spending in building the defenses back up,) by conducting unnecessary military operations around the world. They seem to prefer to continue the "rinse and repeat" perpetuation of the war machine, for the good of the economy, rather than invest in alternate energy solutions. These sort of Americans also tend to have a higher proportion of citizens who think it is their right to mandate their version of values upon the masses as a whole and expect the government to back their opinions of how you and I should all live.

There is the problem as it appears to me. That's what this vote means to Wisconsites.

I identify with the first bunch of people I mentioned. That's why you will see me casting my vote for whoever is running against Scott Walker.
 
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I appreciate the candor, but that doesnt really answer my question.
 
Dammit! I just typed a 4 paragraph response and the damn thing did not submit. I'll try this again. Oy vey!

I wrote:

You are correct sir. I did not answer your question. All apologies. I do tend to get sidetracked. I am having more senior moments than I seem to remember.

But to answer your question directly, to be honest, I am not sure. The first thing the dem's might do is undo all the crap Walker has screwed up. That will set us back on an even keel. of course, that means that corporate taxes Walkers erased, that sent the state into tailspin, might have to go back in place. I'm sure our Koch Brother types will be none too happy about that. I don't have all that much faith in democrats either so it should be interesting and telling to see how they handle it.

But it's like this, if you are out in your boat and you lose a rudder, and your boat crashes into the rocks and water is rushing in, you're first objective is to repair the hole and THEN work on your rudder.

Scott Walker is the hole.
 
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Captain America said:
The first thing the dem's might do is undo all the crap Walker has screwed up.
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I'm sure you realize, but this isn't goig to be possible. Even if they happen to recall Walker, they will not have numbers to undo anything.
 
Captain America said:
His special interests are whatever the Koch Brothers and other out of state Sugar Daddy's tell him his special interests are.
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Oh brother....:roll: Not the big bad Koch Bros. again...I am disappointed Cap, from supposed 'Independent' to full fledged lefty complete with regurgitated union crap eh?

How about the 'special interests' that are invading your state to lead you by the nose? Unions, bussed in agitators, thugs to intimidate state legislators....etc....And you just lay down for them eh? Real principled guy ain't ya?

But if you're following the walker Plight you may know it all might be a mute point soon. Rumor mill has it that he may have bigger problems than the recall. Stay tuned.....
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You ain't got bupkis. If you thought you had something you'd list it.

Imagine going to McDonald's and you order a Big Mac. You come home and there are 2 Taco Bell tacos in your bag instead.
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Union shills, and pension leaches didn't vote for Walker in the first place, so y'all ought to be happy you still have collective bargaining.

He pulled the wool over the eyes of Wisconsites and we are none to happy about it.
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Nope, he campaigned saying exactly what he would do. You just thought he never would get it done. Now you're crying like the cheese ran out.

By the way, who on this thread is from Wisconsin? Those who aren't, all due respect, but mind your own goddamn business. This is a WI state issue and Walker may need your out-of-state help, but we don't. We will handle him in our own way and put the brakes on all this out of control rightwing hogwash.
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Um, no. Free country for the moment progressive. WI obviously can't handle their own business otherwise they wouldn't have had to have a governor resort to this in the first place...See Union boy, that is what greed gets you cheeseheads. You thought you had a sweet deal, a cush job, nice pension, full health care...But your greed made you the target in hard times, and now you have nothing but tears of regret, and self imagined tough talk on an internet message board. How laughable.


j-mac
 
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