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Another School Shooting

Thunder said:
what a strange and stupid thing to say.

oh, maybe you mean if everyone is carrying guns, folks are more likely to be polite, due to the sense of fear & intimidation of a gunfight?
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You got it. If a criminal thinks I might shoot him for threatening me or my property, he's less likely to try it.
 
lizzie said:
You got it. If a criminal thinks I might shoot him for threatening me or my property, he's less likely to try it.
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I agree with this.

If a potential criminal reasons his potential victim may have a gun, he is probably less likely to do so.
 
Thunder said:
what a strange and stupid thing to say.

oh, maybe you mean if everyone is carrying guns, folks are more likely to be polite, due to the sense of fear & intimidation of a gunfight?
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It always wise to be polite to armed strangers. :mrgreen:


I always assume everyone is armed, so I'm almost always polite...
 
Wake said:
I agree with this.

If a potential criminal reasons his potential victim may have a gun, he is probably less likely to do so.
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It's a shame that it's even necessary to think about it in these terms, but in a society where freedom is valued, and you have a highly diverse population, it's needed.
 
Premise 1: Some people may be armed.
Premise 2: Attempting to rob an armed victim may be fatal.
Premise 3: Guns can inflict pain.
Premise 4: That pain can hurt like a *****.

Conclusion: It is unwise to attempt to rob people.

Bonus Conclusion: Armed people are probably less likely to be victims.
 
Wake said:
Premise 1: Some people may be armed.
Premise 2: Attempting to rob an armed victim may be fatal.
Premise 3: Guns can inflict pain.
Premise 4: That pain can hurt like a *****.

Conclusion: It is unwise to attempt to rob people.

Bonus Conclusion: Armed people are probably less likely to be victims.
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This link excerpt is ten years old, but very appropriate to the discussion.

Gun-control advocates look at guns only as a means to harm others even though they are more often used to prevent injury. According to a 1995 study entitled “Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun” by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, published by the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology at Northwestern University School of Law, law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year.

That means that firearms are used 60 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to shoot with criminal intent. Of these defensive shootings, more than 200,000 are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse. About half a million times a year, a citizen carrying a gun away from home uses it in self-defense. Again, according to Kleck amd Gertz, “Citizens shoot and kill more criminals than police do every year [2,819 times versus 303].” Moreover, as George Will pointed out in an article entitled “Are We a Nation of Cowards?” in the November 15, 1993, issue of Newsweek, while police have an error rate of 11 percent when it comes to the accidental shooting of innocent civilians, the armed citizens’ error rate is only 2 percent, making them five times safer than police.
Can Gun Control Reduce Crime? Part 1
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apdst said:
And, they typically attack people that they know are unarmed.
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yes, and I assume a shooter at a kindergarten, like at that Jewish school in Los Angeles a few years ago, would also shoot at those toddlers whom he thought were unarmed.

your point?
 
Wake said:
Bonus Conclusion: Armed people are probably less likely to be victims.
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Armed people are probably more likely to be the ones committing the crime to. Guns dont just give people a way to defend themselves, they give criminals a means to turn people into victims.
 
muciti said:
Armed people are probably more likely to be the ones committing the crime to. Guns dont just give people a way to defend themselves, they give criminals a means to turn people into victims.
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There is so much incorrect here that I just don't even care to respond further. All I'm going to say is find real articles written about the subject and not propaganda pieces and you will realize that this is upper level wrong.
 
Thunder said:
they are also more likely to commit school massacres.
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Inaccurate. Lawfully armed citizens (CCWs) commit less crime than the general population.

Long-proven statistical fact.
 
muciti said:
Armed people are probably more likely to be the ones committing the crime to. Guns dont just give people a way to defend themselves, they give criminals a means to turn people into victims.
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Criminals already have guns, and don't obey gun laws. Duh? :doh
 
muciti said:
Armed people are probably more likely to be the ones committing the crime to. Guns dont just give people a way to defend themselves, they give criminals a means to turn people into victims.
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Pure idiocy

I guess that's why cops should all turn in their weapons
 
TurtleDude said:
Pure idiocy

I guess that's why cops should all turn in their weapons
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I would say the little ol' lady in Texas who shot a burgler in his ass with a .357 back a few years ago would beg to differ. I mean, geez it's not like the strapping young lad was a threat to the nice elderly lady and her young teen granddaughter or anything!{sarcasm}
 
Sparky said:


Saddly he was right because if we listened to Archie, 911 could have been avoided.
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Thank you for the old All In the Family clips. It was the best show on TV and I remember it well.........May Carroll Oconner rest in peace.
 
Pinkie said:
This NEVER happened until Columbine. Now it's like a virus, spreading everywhere.
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School Shootings in the US from 1700 onwards

It didn't start with Columbine. What Columbine represents was the first significant one in a predominantly affluent white middle class area with enough "salacious" threads (Doom, Marilyn Manson, etc) during a point where the 24 hour news cycle and the internet was just beginning to get its initial foothold.
 
Perhaps a mod wants to move this thread to the Basement out of sight?
 
Zyphlin said:
School Shootings in the US from 1700 onwards

It didn't start with Columbine. What Columbine represents was the first significant one in a predominantly affluent white middle class area with enough "salacious" threads (Doom, Marilyn Manson, etc) during a point where the 24 hour news cycle and the internet was just beginning to get its initial foothold.
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That's exactly right. In fact my big worry at the time was copycats because of the infamy of 24 hour news coverage, I was so glad to be wrong on that.
 
haymarket said:
Perhaps a mod wants to move this thread to the Basement out of sight?
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I don't think the premise of this thread suffers from the patent dishonesty of the one you are referencing
 
Thunder said:
yes, and I assume a shooter at a kindergarten, like at that Jewish school in Los Angeles a few years ago, would also shoot at those toddlers whom he thought were unarmed.

your point?
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That's right, because the shooter knew that no one in the school house was armed. Not the principle, the teachers, nor the janitors.
 
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