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ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

taxigirl said:
Voting is a right, the rest of the things you mention that you need ID for are privileges which can have stipulations.
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There are stipulations to vote. You have to register.
 
taxigirl said:
Voting is a right, the rest of the things you mention that you need ID for are privileges which can have stipulations.
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Again, what is so hard about getting an ID? You have a right to eat to, but if you don't have cash, you do have to go get the food stamps to buy the food.

Why is this so hard for Democrats to get on board with?
 
Erod said:
Again, what is so hard about getting an ID? You have a right to eat to, but if you don't have cash, you do have to go get the food stamps to buy the food.

Why is this so hard for Democrats to get on board with?
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Why does it have to be a broad Dems. v GOP?

Here is a repost on the difficulties in getting ID

taxigirl said:
Birth Certificates - New York State Department of Health

I used the mail request example because some (poor and elderly) do not have access to the internet for a variety of reasons. I use New York as an example because that is my birth state and I had to get a new BC. 45.00 may not seem like a lot to people who have never lived on a budget, but it is hard to understand if you have never been there. In addition to the above costs please see below for further requirements:
Identification Requirements - application must be submitted with copies of either A or B:

One (1) of the following forms of valid photo-ID:
Driver license
State issued non-driver photo-ID card
Passport
U.S. Military issued photo-ID

Two (2) of the following showing the applicant's name and address:
Utility or telephone bills
Letter from a government agency dated within the last six (6) months

You need friggin' ID to get ID. Huh?

Getting these other items takes time and money as well.


Bob, I know you did not address the transportation issue but I would like to use this space to explain it as it was mentioned that anyone can get transportation.

If you live off a bus line, in a rural area, cannot ride the bus etc... there is no "voter transportation assistance." Wisconsin can't even get it right for medical transportation.

Please see the ridiculous requirements for medical transport:
Wisconsin Medical Assistance Transportation, UW Health, University of Wisconsin Hospital, Madison

In addition to all the hoops the program is being run by a questionable company:
LogistiCare's medical transport service generates more complaints - JSOnline
Mail requests ordered with priority handling ($45.00 per copy ordered) are currently processed within two (2) to four (4) weeks from when they are received. Submitting the application to the Vital Records Processing Center by overnight delivery is recommended. Completed requests will be returned by first class mail unless a prepaid return mailer for overnight delivery is provided with the request.
Mail requests ordered with regular handling ($30.00 per copy ordered) are currently processed within six (6) to eight (8) weeks from when they are received.
Now I am getting off topic, I just wanted to show how difficult it is for some people to get around as it was mentioned in this thread.
So how do we vote in Wisconsin if we can't get a ride or ID? We don't.
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Erod said:
Again, what is so hard about getting an ID? You have a right to eat to, but if you don't have cash, you do have to go get the food stamps to buy the food.

Why is this so hard for Democrats to get on board with?
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Because a lot of these States expect people to have to buy their Right to vote. Sorry, according to the 24th Amendment it doesn't work that way. Make the ID free or go home.


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This part deleted - the above post more than covered it.
 
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1Perry said:
Link? .........
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Here's one showing a $25 fee for a Florida State ID card.

http://www.flhsmv.gov/DHSMVFees.htm

You can research the other states at your leisure. (Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan and South Dakota)
Read more: Which States Require a Photo ID to Vote? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5375741_states-require-photo-id-vote.html#ixzz1ncW8Gl8k)


I think they cost the same as a driver's license here, which is $30, but it may be half that. We both have a license and it's been a few years since our daughter got an ID - she drives now, too. Of course, in MO we don't require photo ID but they do issue a voter registration card for free (not photo ID). You have to present the voter card OR a photo ID (State ID or license) to vote here.
 
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MoSurveyor said:
Here's one showing a $25 fee for a Florida State ID card.

DHSMV: Motorist Services Fees

You can research the other states at your leisure. (Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan and South Dakota)
Read more: Which States Require a Photo ID to Vote? | eHow.com Which States Require a Photo ID to Vote? | eHow.com)


I think they cost the same as a driver's license here, which is $30, but it may be half that. We both have a license and it's been a few years since our daughter got an ID - she drives now, too. Of course, in MO we don't require photo ID but they do issue a voter registration card for free (not photo ID). You have to present the voter card OR a photo ID (State ID or license) to vote here.
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Sure. They charge you to get an I.D. Nowhere does it state that this is required to vote.
 
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1Perry said:
Sorry, you are going to have to point out where they require you to pay $25 for an I.D. to vote. I couldn't find it.
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From the provided link:
What to Expect at the Polls
Polls will be open on Election Day from 7 a.m. until 7 p.m. local time. Contact your Supervisor of Elections for early voting hours which may vary between early voting sites. To determine your polling place, check your voter information card or contact your Supervisor of Elections. You may also find your polling place on Division of Elections Home, through the online voter lookup, or on your Supervisor of Elections’ website.
In order to vote at the polls during early voting or on Election Day, you must show a photo and signature identification. Acceptable forms of photo identification include: Florida driver license, Florida identification card issued by the Department of Highway, Safety and Motor Vehicles, United States passport, Debit or credit card, Military identification, Student identification, Retirement center identification, Neighborhood association identification, or Public assistance identification.
If your photo identification does not contain your signature, you will be required to show an additional form of identification that provides your signature.
Once your identity has been established, you will be asked to sign the precinct register or electronic device (or during early voting, the early voting ballot certificate) and then you will be allowed to vote. If you need assistance in marking your ballot, please inform the poll worker. If you make a mistake when voting on a
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How many more dots do you need connected?


Florida driver license (I would have one of these - at a cost of $48 - but ...)
Florida identification card issued by the Department of Highway, Safety and Motor Vehicles (if no license, I would have to buy one of these for $25)

United States passport (don't have one, can't afford one)
Debit or credit card (don't have one - not available to me with a photo)
Military identification (don't have one, can't get one)
Student identification (don't have one, can't get one)
Retirement center identification (don't have one, can't get one)
Neighborhood association identification (don't have one, can't get one)
Public assistance identification. (don't have one, can't get one)


Looks like if I lived in FL it would be pay the State or not vote. That's a 24th Amendment violation plain and simple.
 
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1Perry said:
Sorry, you are going to have to point out where they require you to pay $25 for an I.D. to vote. I couldn't find it.
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Can't figure it out? That's part of the problem.
 
The state is discriminatory by nature, but alas if you wish to play their game you must play by their rules. I personally prefer to disenfranchise myself from these illusory spectacles.
 
Erod said:
Again, what is so hard about getting an ID? You have a right to eat to, but if you don't have cash, you do have to go get the food stamps to buy the food.

Why is this so hard for Democrats to get on board with?
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Actually you don't leave your house to get the food stamps. Its not that dems aren't on board with it, they typically just want the least among us taken care of if it goes into affect.
 
MoSurveyor said:
From the provided link:
How many more dots do you need connected?
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NOTE TO VOTER: Failure to perform any of these responsibilities does not prohibit a voter from voting.
 
AdamT said:
Can't figure it out? That's part of the problem.
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NOTE TO VOTER: Failure to perform any of these responsibilities does not prohibit a voter from voting.
 
hazlnut said:
Then you didn't read the article.
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NOTE TO VOTER: Failure to perform any of these responsibilities does not prohibit a voter from voting.

P.S. It's not an article.
 
taxigirl said:
Why does it have to be a broad Dems. v GOP?
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Because that's what this fake issue is about. The GOP thinks it will give them an advantage over the Democrats, so they're in favor of it. The Democrats agree that it will give the GOP an advantage, so they are against it.

That's all this is about. Party politics at it's worst. All appeals to fairness, etc. are just the BS that the parties feed us, and while I shouldn't be surprised that some are buying it completely, I am disappointed.
 
rocket88 said:
Because that's what this fake issue is about. The GOP thinks it will give them an advantage over the Democrats, so they're in favor of it. The Democrats agree that it will give the GOP an advantage, so they are against it.

That's all this is about. Party politics at it's worst. All appeals to fairness, etc. are just the BS that the parties feed us, and while I shouldn't be surprised that some are buying it completely, I am disappointed.
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The government does have a valid obligation to make sure that someone claiming to be Joe Smith from precinct 1 is actually Joe Smith from precinct 1.
 
taxigirl said:
If not the ACLU then pick your source. Several other organizations have filed suit as well, people were turned away from the polls because they did not have ID. Some people cannot get ID because of lacking Birth Certificates for various reasons, lacking transportation to get somewhere to get ID, etc...
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Anyone who cares enough to vote, and is motivated enough to vote, can resolve those problems barring them from getting ID. I would venture a guess that if there was money being given away, every Tom, Dick, and Harry in the far away recesses of the country would get a legitimate ID, if it were required in order to claim the cash.
 
AdamT said:
15th Amendment
Section 1
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race
color or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2
The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

19th Amendment
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

26th Amendment
Section 1
The right of citizens of the United States who are eighteen years of age or older to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
Section 2
The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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All I'm seeing in those amendments is a prohibition on denying the vote to people based on certain characteristics.

The challenge to cite a blanket guarantee of the right to vote is still unfulfilled.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
All I'm seeing in those amendments is a prohibition on denying the vote to people based on certain characteristics.

The challenge to cite a blanket guarantee of the right to vote is still unfulfilled.
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Right, clearly it is implied by Article II and the various amendments, as the Supreme Court and countless lower courts have held. It is not explicit, any more than the right to privacy is explicit.
 
1Perry said:
NOTE TO VOTER: Failure to perform any of these responsibilities does not prohibit a voter from voting.
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I stand corrected for Florida, you're not required to show photo ID to vote in Florida. :surrender


Of course, that says nothing about the other States wanting to implement a photo ID requirement. If they're all going to be the same as Florida then why bother at all?
 
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AdamT said:
Right, clearly it is implied by Article II and the various amendments, as the Supreme Court and countless lower courts have held. It is not explicit, any more than the right to privacy is explicit.
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You might have a point if not for the 14th amendment which explicitly provides for reduction in congressional representation for states that abridge the right to vote. If it were prohibited by the Constitution, why does this clause exist?

Furthermore, please provide the "implicit" clause of Article II that you think overrides the 14th amendment, and please cite Supreme Court opinions that state the existence of this phantom guarantee of a blanket right to vote. Please note, however, that opinions based on the 15th, 19th, and 26th amendments shall not qualify, as those amendments deal with prohibiting denial of voting rights to people for certain reasons. No one is denying those amendments exist or claiming states can deny voting rights based on those reasons. You'll have to find opinions based on something else. I suspect you can't do it.
 
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