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I'm still a little confused on how this is equivalent to Jim Crow laws.
You're using individual cases where certain seniors are inconvenienced to justify accusations of broad, sweeping voter suppression. For the vast majority of Americans, a voter ID should not be a problematic request.
So if a few people are inconvenienced and had trouble getting ID, is that is justification to compromise democratic institutions through voter fraud? Is that that the attitude you have on things?So if a few innocent people are inconvenienced and thrown in jail, that is justified because chances are that we got at least one real criminal? Is that that the attitude you have on things?
The Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law | Think Getting “Free” ID Is Easy? Think Again!
So if a few innocent people are inconvenienced and thrown in jail, that is justified because chances are that we got at least one real criminal? Is that that the attitude you have on things?
And you totally missed the point. ID's that were valid the last election have been invalidated in the next and you need a picture ID to get a voter ID... but to get the ID you need your birth certificate, but that you cant get because yes.. you need a valid picture ID!
Not that I have to provide anything of proof of that for it to be accepted by many.
1996. California 46th District congressional election.
Loretta Sanchez, a Democrat ran a campaign specifically courting illegal aliens. She narrowly defeated the Republican incumbent, Bob Dornan. The number of votes that were subsequently proven to have been illegally cast amounted to about 76% of the margin by which she defeated Dornan. It's impossible to know how many more illegal votes were unproven, but there's a very, very high probability that the final outcome of this election was different than it would have been if illegals had not voted.
Voter fraud does happen, and we have here at least one example in which it appears to have altered the outcome of an important election.
Here in Wisconsin we can same day register at the polls.
Are you insinuating that individuals will be thrown in jail for ignorance of the rules? They'll simply not be allowed to vote if they're not aware of the new requirements. Inconvenience to a select few, but not as severe as you would have others believe.So if a few innocent people are inconvenienced and thrown in jail, that is justified because chances are that we got at least one real criminal? Is that that the attitude you have on things?
And you totally missed the point. ID's that were valid the last election have been invalidated in the next and you need a picture ID to get a voter ID... but to get the ID you need your birth certificate, but that you cant get because yes.. you need a valid picture ID! laws like that make you wonder what the hell the legislative was thinking. People are also being forced to pay for new voter ID cards and what not, despite it being free..
The Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law | Think Getting “Free” ID Is Easy? Think Again!
A long list for something that is supposed to be easy no? Poll tax!
if the states are willing to provide free ID'S , or ID'S at steeply reduced price to those who need them, then i don't have a problem with asking for an ID to vote...without providing acess to an affordable/free ID, i can see how someone who is a legitimate citizen of this country could be denied their right to vote, and i can see how it could be construed as an attempt to disenfranchise certain voters.ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law - chicagotribune.com
We have gone through so many years in the United States without Voter ID laws, and we now suddenly need them? Voter fraud is not something that is not common in the United States and this seems like an attempt to disenfranchise certain sets of voters. :usflag2:
How much does it cost to get a copy of one's birth certificate?
Mail requests ordered with priority handling ($45.00 per copy ordered) are currently processed within two (2) to four (4) weeks from when they are received. Submitting the application to the Vital Records Processing Center by overnight delivery is recommended. Completed requests will be returned by first class mail unless a prepaid return mailer for overnight delivery is provided with the request.
Mail requests ordered with regular handling ($30.00 per copy ordered) are currently processed within six (6) to eight (8) weeks from when they are received.
Identification Requirements - application must be submitted with copies of either A or B:
One (1) of the following forms of valid photo-ID:
Driver license
State issued non-driver photo-ID card
Passport
U.S. Military issued photo-ID
Two (2) of the following showing the applicant's name and address:
Utility or telephone bills
Letter from a government agency dated within the last six (6) months
Voting should take a little effort. The thought of some drunken bum or crack ho on welfare not qualifying to vote because they have no ID doesn't really bother me too much.
For this to make any sense, one has to presume that people who do not have valid ID are more likely to vote Democratic.
What else could we reasonably assume about those who don't have valid ID?
That is kind of the point. They all have a right to vote too, regardless of their standing in society. Why should we discount their opinions?
Voting should take a little effort. The thought of some drunken bum or crack ho on welfare not qualifying to vote because they have no ID doesn't really bother me too much.
and why wouldn't they be able to vote? If they can get a picture ID for free, what's stopping them from voting?
Now, in the case of dead people, that could be a problem. Should we disenfranchise dead people?
And where in the Constitution do you obtain that standard from?
Did you even read this thread that discusses how difficult it is to get ID? or the discussion within this thread about who it disenfranchises?
I never said deny them the vote, I merely expressed my own opinion. IMO if you are so screwed up you can't even gather enough wits too obtain ID I personally don't want you too vote. Not only that I assume you will vote Dem which brings up a related issue, Dem's wanting to give convicts the vote because most of them would vote Dem which speaks volumes.
ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law - chicagotribune.com
We have gone through so many years in the United States without Voter ID laws, and we now suddenly need them? Voter fraud is not something that is not common in the United States and this seems like an attempt to disenfranchise certain sets of voters. :usflag2:
The law is not unconstitutional by any means if that's what you're implying; the constitution leaves responsibility to the states to deem what qualifications they felt were necessary to vote outside of the minimum age requirement and the amendments prohibiting race and gender discrimination.And where in the Constitution do you obtain that standard from?
The law is not unconstitutional by any means if that's what you're implying; the constitution leaves responsibility to the states to deem what qualifications they felt were necessary outside of age, race, and gender.
Voting should take a little effort.
I never said deny them the vote, I merely expressed my own opinion. IMO if you are so screwed up you can't even gather enough wits too obtain ID I personally don't want you too vote. Not only that I assume you will vote Dem which brings up a related issue, Dem's wanting to give convicts the vote because most of them would vote Dem which speaks volumes.
Sawyer-- you make a lot of assumptions. In Florida a few years ago the legislature and Gov. Charlie Crist (R) changed the rules and restored voting rights for former convicts.
Charlie Crist was no Republican, other than his designation....He was a progressive, and I believe a great example of what aided in the downfall of the Republican party.
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