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Gay Texas Judge Refuses to Perform Marriage Ceremonies(edited)

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It is her job to issue the contract.

I don't think that's correct.
 
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I applaud this woman for standing up for her principles.


She should have talked some of her straight colleagues into doing the same. Although judges perform ceremonies as a side service, not an official duty. Just like boat captains.
 
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How does one fire an elected official? Impeachment maybe but firing/ NO.

That should be done. If the judge didn't like the fact that Texas does not allow gay marriage, then she should write her congresscritter, participate in protests, or use other lawful means. But to refuse to do the job she was elected to do means that she violated her oath of office, and she should be removed by whatever means are available under the law.
 
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I applaud this woman for standing up for her principles.

I guess discrimination is ok...when it's discrimination that we agree with.
 
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I applaud this woman for standing up for her principles.

I am a big supporter of the right to same sex marriages but I disagree with this judge. Why would she want to punish couples who want to get married in her court by refusing them and thus discriminating them for their sexual preferance?

If discriminating against people for their sexual orientation is wrong then it is wrong in all situations. Discriminating against straights is just as wrong as discriminating against gays.
 
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She is violating her ethical canons by making "pledges or promises of conduct in office regarding pending or impending cases, specific classes of cases, specific classes of litigants, or specific propositions of law that would suggest to a reasonable person that the judge is predisposed to a probable decision in cases within the scope of the pledge; and should leave.

She is also using her office as a soapbox for her political agenda by refusing perform the marriage ceremony and is acting in a discriminatory manner.
 
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Can judges really refuse that sort of thing? They're civil servants. I have problem with religious leaders refusing their particular service to people, but the government shouldn't be allowed to do so.

I think she can because there are other judges that will preform the ceremony.
I think she's top notch for taking a stand.
 
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No Dan.She has every right to work in the areas that she would prefer.

But, she doesn't have the right to discriminate against citizens who are performing a leagal act.

If she were straight and had refused to marry a gay couple, you would be calling for her head.
 
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Marriage contract is a government issued and recognized contract. Her refusal to issue on when legally requested shows that her personal bias will get in the way of her performing her proper and rightful duties as an important civil servant. A judge is not there to act upon their religious or personal convictions. They are there to make sure the law is upheld (which was not done through refusal of government entity to issue a government contract when lawfully requested) and to ensure justice is served. If she cannot put her religious or personal convictions aside to properly perform her duties as a judge (one of the most important positions we have in relation to exercise of government force against the individual), than she should not be allowed to be a judge.

Inability to do your job should be grounds for dismissal.

She will come up for a vote.
 
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The government must issue contracts which are properly and legally applied for. The government is not allowed to insert personal opinion to the exercise of their duties. They do it, or they get out. That's it. The government cannot be allowed personal bias when executing the duties we charge it with. It either does it, or it gets replaced. That's all there is to it.

She actually does not preside over marriages as far as I have read.
 
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I guess discrimination is ok...when it's discrimination that we agree with.

How is what she did discrimination?
 
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She is violating her ethical canons by making "pledges or promises of conduct in office regarding pending or impending cases, specific classes of cases, specific classes of litigants, or specific propositions of law that would suggest to a reasonable person that the judge is predisposed to a probable decision in cases within the scope of the pledge; and should leave.

She is also using her office as a soapbox for her political agenda by refusing perform the marriage ceremony and is acting in a discriminatory manner.
does not every politician use their position to express their views and make their specific point?
 
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does not every politician use their position to express their views and make their specific point?

Not to the point of acting in a discriminatory manner should the occasion arise.
 
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Obviously not an opponent of SSM, but I am an opponent of activist judges. It is not the function of the judiciary to make laws or social statements. It is their job to apply the law that already exists to the matter before them. If that matter is officiating over the marriage of a man and a woman, I think the law is crystal clear. There is no room for interpretation, which actually IS the function of the judiciary.
 
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It is her job to issue the contract. It was rightfully and legally requested. She denied it. End of story. The government must not be allowed to insert personal bias in the execution of law. If she cannot be impartial, than she cannot be a judge. That's it.

Judges do not issue contracts. They overhear or preside over legal matters. Clerks issue the contract. Judges in Texas are not required to preside over marriages. How is she breaking the law? If she doesn't have to do this if she doesn't want to how can you fire her? On what grounds? If you fire her she will sue the state for an illegal practice and win millions and more millions. You can't fire her there is no basis and she is correct anyway.
 
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Obviously not an opponent of SSM, but I am an opponent of activist judges. It is not the function of the judiciary to make laws or social statements. It is their job to apply the law that already exists to the matter before them. If that matter is officiating over the marriage of a man and a woman, I think the law is crystal clear. There is no room for interpretation, which actually IS the function of the judiciary.

Since she is not required by law to hear any wedding what has she done wrong? It is her job to apply that specific law only if she wants. That's the law. So stuff the activist judge talk. If you knew what her job fully entailed maybe you wouldn't make such flagrant errors in your post.
 
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Since she is not required by law to hear any wedding what has she done wrong? It is her job to apply that specific law only if she wants. That's the law. So stuff the activist judge talk. If you knew what her job fully entailed maybe you wouldn't make such flagrant errors in your post.

However, it's illegal for her to discriminate. Read the title of the thread:

Gay judge refuses to perform Straight weddings

Just like the JOP that refused to marry a mixed race couple. He was in violation of the law.
 
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However, it's illegal for her to discriminate. Read the title of the thread:



Just like the JOP that refused to marry a mixed race couple. He was in violation of the law.

What do you not understand about she is not required to preform any marriage. If Texas is not a same sex marriage state which it is not she cannot preform those. If she refuses to preside over heterosexual marriages she is presiding over no marriages. How is this discrimination? What don't you understand about such a simple fact. NOT REQUIRED by law to preside over any.
 
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What do you not understand about she is not required to preform any marriage. If Texas is not a same sex marriage state which it is not she cannot preform those. If she refuses to preside over heterosexual marriages she is presiding over no marriages. How is this discrimination? What don't you understand about such a simple fact. NOT REQUIRED by law to preside over any.

Would you have the same view if this were another judge in a state that allows SSM who said they wouldn't officiate any homosexual marriages?
 
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Would you have the same view if this were another judge in a state that allows SSM who said they wouldn't officiate any homosexual marriages?

Yes if the law of the state said that judges were not required to preside over weddings. If the law required them to do so then I would have a problem.
 
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I think she can because there are other judges that will preform the ceremony.
I think she's top notch for taking a stand.

I don't think she should be allowed to because she's a judge and needs to be impartial to the exercise of law. She cannot allow her own personal prejudices or ideals cloud her service to the People.
 
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I don't think she should be allowed to because she's a judge and needs to be impartial to the exercise of law. She cannot allow her own personal prejudices or ideals cloud her service to the People.

She is not obligated by Texas law to preside over any wedding. Since there is no same sax marriage in Texas and she will not oversee heterosexual marriage she is not doing any. If she were required to preside over marriages it would be a different story. This is really a non news story.
 
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What about activist Bishops and Priests?

They're free to discriminate along religious lines.
 
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I am in favor of gay marriage, but this judge needs to be fired for not doing her job.

You probably can't fire her but come election time she will be history.
 
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