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Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

Top Cat said:
Have you read this thread? Clearly not. So here, let me generalize. Just like righties to walk into a room blind and assume they have a clue.
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Now that the partisan hackery train is running away full tilt, I'd say you're done here. You've proven you don't plan on contributing any more substance to the thread and are just interested in hurling childish insults. Good day.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I agree. I'll say this, Turtle said his child started training at 7y.o. I myself started shooting at around 6 or 7 and I KNEW DAMN WELL not to bring a firearm out without proper supervision. Now that I'm an adult and have gained the skills and disciplines required of a responsible owner I still follow the same rules I knew at 6 being only where they are allowed and only where legal(I don't have my CCW yet so my choices are limited a little more).

I don't buy that a child "can't" know not to bring a weapon to school but know full well that if they don't know it there some serious adult guidance issues.
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well clearly this child was trained on firearms safety when he was 7. His mother took him on meth runs and had him watch guard.

Seriously. C'mon guys.
 
theangryamerican said:
Now that the partisan hackery train is running away full tilt, I'd say you're done here. You've proven you don't plan on contributing any more substance to the thread and are just interested in hurling childish insults. Good day.
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Translation. I got nothin.
 
Top Cat said:
well clearly this child was trained on firearms safety when he was 7. His mother took him on meth runs and had him watch guard.

Seriously. C'mon guys.
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Seriously. Being around a gun is not gun training. Seriously dude.
 
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Local News | Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake' | Seattle Times Newspaper

I'm the first one here to suggest that there be tighter controls on firearms. This whole thing is sickening. And obviously the Mother will get sued at the very least in a civil suit. But I am at a total loss to understand how prosecuting this 9 year old boy, AND keeping him from his custodial parent is a good idea in the wake of this tragic accident.

Putting a 9 year old boy in jail accomplishes what here?
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There's a first time for everything.... I agree with you. There is no reason to lock up a 9 year old boy. The gun went off in his backpack.

This is just a tragic accident. Nobody is criminally liable, from what I can see. Maybe the mother should have locked up the gun... who keeps a gun where a kid can reach it?
 
Peter Grimm said:
There's a first time for everything.... I agree with you. There is no reason to lock up a 9 year old boy. The gun went off in his backpack.

This is just a tragic accident. Nobody is criminally liable, from what I can see. Maybe the mother should have locked up the gun... who keeps a gun where a kid can reach it?
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One who has proven that she clearly has no problems breaking the law.
 
Sparky said:
The boy belongs in a state mental facility until the age of 18. 9 years old or not, you don't bring guns to school. Why is the mother being blame? Did she give her son the gun and told him to take it to school?

Also if the little girl who got shot and her parents are illegal, they deserve no civil suites because she'd still be alive and well if they didn't sneak into the our country. It's bad enough that tax payers are footing the hospital bills.
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I have saw a lot of heartless post here and this ranks up there with #1! This kid does not need to be in a state mental facility until the age of 18! This was a child making a bad choice and mistake:(
 
Kali said:
I have saw a lot of heartless post here and this ranks up there with #1! This kid does not need to be in a state mental facility until the age of 18! This was a child making a bad choice and mistake:(
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You're right Kali. The child does need some kind of consequence because this is a very bad mistake, but it was an honest one I think. I think counseling and a little community service and maybe at most a couple of weeks in a facility should be the limit.
 
Sparky said:
This is not a simple case of intentionally throwing a rock through someone's house window because of an impulse control problem. The kid a brought a gun to school. He belongs in a mental institution until he's adult because only insane people would bring a gun to scholl until the age of 9.
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You clearly know nothing about children. This is not an adult. It is a 9 year old KID and to think that a 9 year old child belongs in a mental ward til they are an adult withouth knowing all the details is insane:(
 
Sparky said:
Yes he does belong there period. This is not a normal little boy we're talking about ruining. This is a pscho.
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Now you are just making stuff up! How do you know he is a pscho? How do you know he is not normal? It has already been made clear his parents are crap but do not try to paint this kid as some evil being:(
 
Sparky said:
This is not a simple case of intentionally throwing a rock through someone's house window because of an impulse control problem. The kid a brought a gun to school. He belongs in a mental institution until he's adult because only insane people would bring a gun to scholl until the age of 9.
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Yes, he is 9 years old. He has no idea what the repercussions are of a gun. He has no concept of the real meaning of death, much less any of the philosophical arguments surrounding it. He may have known people who have died but cannot yet understand the idea or permanence. It is like trying to understand the concept of the universe --it never ends.
 
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I think it's unwise to just assume 9 year olds don't know what guns are, what they can do, and what might happen if they hurt someone seriously.

There are countless 9 year olds who are well versed in weaponry and all things injury and death - maybe this one individual did kid not know. But I don't know - we don't know him well enough. That's something we can't determine on our own here.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I think it's unwise to just assume 9 year olds don't know what guns are, what they can do, and what might happen if they hurt someone seriously.

There are countless 9 year olds who are well versed in weaponry and all things injury and death - maybe this one individual did kid not know. But I don't know - we don't know him well enough. That's something we can't determine on our own here.
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This is one reason to properly educate and train all children about firearms, especially those who live in a home where guns are owned.

When my son was about 3 or 4, I took him outside and shot a 2liter jug of water with a 12 gauge shotgun at close range while he stood beside me. It appeared to explode and spewed water everywhere, dramatically making an impression. I showed him the shotgun and said "Now remember: guns have no brain. They will destroy whatever is in front of them, so the person operating the gun had better use his brain about where he points it." I went on to tell him that he was not to touch any gun without my permission and presence, and that to do otherwise would be Big Trouble... but that if he wanted to shoot, all he had to do was ask me and we'd go outside and shoot guns. This got the point across while allowing him a means of satisfying his curiosity safety, removing the "allure of the taboo" from guns.

I did something very similar with power tools and a circular saw, to educate him on their dangers.

Any time he wanted to shoot, I'd make time for us to go out to the backyard range. At 4 I let him shoot 22's, I'd kneel behind him and keep my hands on the weapon as he fired it. I constantly repeated the three fundamental rules of safety (don't point, finger off trigger, assume loaded) until he could recite them verbatim.

Later I began more seriously training him in safe gunhandling methods and marksmanship, and let him shoot anything I own. I also started filling him in on the basic legalities surrounding guns as soon as he could understand.

At 13 I gave him the combination to the gun safe, but told him never to open it without me unless there was a bona-fide emergency and I wasn't there to handle it. By this point guns were no mystery to him and there was no reason to "sneak a peak" or "play with them" ... he knew all he had to do to handle or shoot any gun in there was to ask me.

We hunt. By the time you've killed a few rabbits and skinned them and cleaned them, you have no illusions about what guns do to living beings.

He was also raised to respect human life and hold it as sacred, as part of our religious beliefs; and that human life must never be taken except in dire necessity.

We've never had an accidental discharge and he's never done anything stupid with guns. At 16 he's a pretty good shot and very meticulous about safe gun handling.
 
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Goshin said:
This is one reason to properly educate and train all children about firearms, especially those who live in a home where guns are owned.

When my son was about 3 or 4, I took him outside and shot a 2liter jug of water with a 12 gauge shotgun at close range while he stood beside me. It appeared to explode and spewed water everywhere, dramatically making an impression. I showed him the shotgun and said "Now remember: guns have no brain. They will destroy whatever is in front of them, so the person operating the gun had better use his brain about where he points it." I went on to tell him that he was not to touch any gun without my permission and presence, and that to do otherwise would be Big Trouble... but that if he wanted to shoot, all he had to do was ask me and we'd go outside and shoot guns. This got the point across while allowing him a means of satisfying his curiosity safety, removing the "allure of the taboo" from guns.

I did something very similar with power tools and a circular saw, to educate him on their dangers.

Any time he wanted to shoot, I'd make time for us to go out to the backyard range. At 4 I let him shoot 22's, I'd kneel behind him and keep my hands on the weapon as he fired it. I constantly repeated the three fundamental rules of safety (don't point, finger off trigger, assume loaded) until he could recite them verbatim.

Later I began more seriously training him in safe gunhandling methods and marksmanship, and let him shoot anything I own. I also started filling him in on the basic legalities surrounding guns as soon as he could understand.

At 13 I gave him the combination to the gun safe, but told him never to open it without me unless there was a bona-fide emergency and I wasn't there to handle it. By this point guns were no mystery to him and there was no reason to "sneak a peak" or "play with them" ... he knew all he had to do to handle or shoot any gun in there was to ask me.

We hunt. By the time you've killed a few rabbits and skinned them and cleaned them, you have no illusions about what guns do to living beings.

He was also raised to respect human life and hold it as sacred, as part of our religious beliefs; and that human life must never be taken except in dire necessity.

We've never had an accidental discharge and he's never done anything stupid with guns. At 16 he's a pretty good shot and very meticulous about safe gun handling.
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I think I shot Pellet guns at age 6-7 but a 22 for the first time at age 9-10 at a summer camp. I grew up around guns and our house-starting at age 8 was filled with an ever expanding collection of animal heads my father collected on safaris in Kenya. So I knew about guns. At age ten or so my father took me to my godfather's home that was located on a fair amount of land and had a cornfield where they would hunt dove and quail. He took an old 410 bore Iver Johnson side by side shotgun for me to try. Didn't hit the clay pigeons thrown with a hand launcher. Before we got there we stopped at a roadside farm stand and my dad bought a pumpkin.

before we started shooting, he put the pumpkin on a post on a fence and noted -a pumpkin is about the size of someone's head

he took the little shotgun-not much bigger than the pellet rifle I had become fairly proficient with and from about 5-6 feet away he shot the pumpkin. It blew up. He looked at me and said-this is what a shotgun can do to your head or someone else's head if you are careless with it. That lesson took place in 1969 or so. 11 years later I was at the Olympic trials trying to make the shooting team. I remember loading my several thousand dollar perazzi Mirage Shotgun after pulling out a couple shells from my vest that had USA sewn across the back of it thinking about that pumpkin. Its a lesson I never forgot.
 
Goshin said:
This is one reason to properly educate and train all children about firearms, especially those who live in a home where guns are owned.

When my son was about 3 or 4, I took him outside and shot a 2liter jug of water with a 12 gauge shotgun at close range while he stood beside me. It appeared to explode and spewed water everywhere, dramatically making an impression. I showed him the shotgun and said "Now remember: guns have no brain. They will destroy whatever is in front of them, so the person operating the gun had better use his brain about where he points it." I went on to tell him that he was not to touch any gun without my permission and presence, and that to do otherwise would be Big Trouble... but that if he wanted to shoot, all he had to do was ask me and we'd go outside and shoot guns. This got the point across while allowing him a means of satisfying his curiosity safety, removing the "allure of the taboo" from guns.

I did something very similar with power tools and a circular saw, to educate him on their dangers.

Any time he wanted to shoot, I'd make time for us to go out to the backyard range. At 4 I let him shoot 22's, I'd kneel behind him and keep my hands on the weapon as he fired it. I constantly repeated the three fundamental rules of safety (don't point, finger off trigger, assume loaded) until he could recite them verbatim.

Later I began more seriously training him in safe gunhandling methods and marksmanship, and let him shoot anything I own. I also started filling him in on the basic legalities surrounding guns as soon as he could understand.

At 13 I gave him the combination to the gun safe, but told him never to open it without me unless there was a bona-fide emergency and I wasn't there to handle it. By this point guns were no mystery to him and there was no reason to "sneak a peak" or "play with them" ... he knew all he had to do to handle or shoot any gun in there was to ask me.

We hunt. By the time you've killed a few rabbits and skinned them and cleaned them, you have no illusions about what guns do to living beings.

He was also raised to respect human life and hold it as sacred, as part of our religious beliefs; and that human life must never be taken except in dire necessity.

We've never had an accidental discharge and he's never done anything stupid with guns. At 16 he's a pretty good shot and very meticulous about safe gun handling.
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TurtleDude said:
I think I shot Pellet guns at age 6-7 but a 22 for the first time at age 9-10 at a summer camp. I grew up around guns and our house-starting at age 8 was filled with an ever expanding collection of animal heads my father collected on safaris in Kenya. So I knew about guns. At age ten or so my father took me to my godfather's home that was located on a fair amount of land and had a cornfield where they would hunt dove and quail. He took an old 410 bore Iver Johnson side by side shotgun for me to try. Didn't hit the clay pigeons thrown with a hand launcher. Before we got there we stopped at a roadside farm stand and my dad bought a pumpkin.

before we started shooting, he put the pumpkin on a post on a fence and noted -a pumpkin is about the size of someone's head

he took the little shotgun-not much bigger than the pellet rifle I had become fairly proficient with and from about 5-6 feet away he shot the pumpkin. It blew up. He looked at me and said-this is what a shotgun can do to your head or someone else's head if you are careless with it. That lesson took place in 1969 or so. 11 years later I was at the Olympic trials trying to make the shooting team. I remember loading my several thousand dollar perazzi Mirage Shotgun after pulling out a couple shells from my vest that had USA sewn across the back of it thinking about that pumpkin. Its a lesson I never forgot.
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My best friend is a juvinile probation officer. When he was going to firearms training there was a sheriff's deputy who was using ill fitting ear protection, she didn't want to lose time so adjusted it between shots with a her loaded .40. A couple of the fellow class attendees were rushing to stop her and then thought better of it because if they spooked her she could have pulled the trigger with the gun to her head. The next day the instructor told her to load full mag. and told everyone "See this mud pile? It's roughly the consistency of the human brain." He shot the entire magazine into it splashing mud on everyone and then goes "If I EVER see anyone put a loaded gun to their head again they'll do pushups until they puke".
 
Sparky said:
This is not a simple case of intentionally throwing a rock through someone's house window because of an impulse control problem. The kid a brought a gun to school. He belongs in a mental institution until he's adult because only insane people would bring a gun to scholl until the age of 9.
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Why do you think this child should get a harsher sentence than an adult?

I am not an expert but 9 years for a gun going off accidentally sounds like a lot for an adult. He didn't even have it in his hands at the time.

Can one of the law enforcement officers here tell us how much time an adult would get for a similar charge?
 
danarhea said:
This is not a case for gun control at all. You don't punish the rest of us because of what some jackass did.... Or maybe you do. Some people drive recklessly, and cause accidents. That's it!! BAN ALL CARS NOW!!
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Most laws protecting the publics safety stem from 1 incident that set the wheels in motion. It happens all the time.
 
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