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Father says son who took gun to school 'made a bad mistake'

ThePlayDrive said:
Tons of stories doesn't erase the fact that it isn't normal in a lot of places and probably not normal just in general, especially for a nine year old. My point is that we don't know what his intentions were and I'm not going to draw conclusions until I have more information. I don't see why anybody else would either. People are far too quick to draw the conclusions from stories that they want to be true. I'd rather wait for more information.
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Fair enough. I remember constantly having random searches when I was in grade school and they always caught at least one kid with some kind of weapon, but I do admit it isn't normal behavior for a kid to bring a weapon to school.
 
Peter King said:
Jail is never the right place for a kid purely because of having bad parents. If there is no alternative he needs to be in foster care if he cannot return to one of his parents and the grandparents/aunts/uncles are not able or willing to give the place a stable and loving home.
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Kid wouldnt be sent to Juvenile detention (not 'jail', the klink, or the big house) purely for having bad parents. If warranted and found guilty of bringing a weapon to school and being responsible for the shooting of a child, he would be sent to Juvenile detention for 30 days in juvenile detention during which time he would be observed, assessed, and treated. We arent talking chain gangs and sheriff Arrapaio.
 
Top Cat said:
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I'm the first one here to suggest that there be tighter controls on firearms. This whole thing is sickening. And obviously the Mother will get sued at the very least in a civil suit. But I am at a total loss to understand how prosecuting this 9 year old boy, AND keeping him from his custodial parent is a good idea in the wake of this tragic accident.

Putting a 9 year old boy in jail accomplishes what here?
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This is a crappy situation, but I don't see how curbing everyone else's rights is going to fix anything.
 
Top Cat said:
You keep claiming that you have debunked my contention that common sense laws are a bad idea. I'm still waiting.
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I’m still waiting for you to put forward a common sense law…


Top Cat said:
I said lethal. Are you suggesting that a handgun is something other than lethal? I must have missed something. enlighten me as to the real reason hand guns were designed? I'll hold my breath.
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Wait, let me get a handle on this logic. Cars kill 150% more people than firearms, but a gun is more lethal, in you opinion? A gunshot wound is fatal less than half the time, despite what you saw on CSI this week, but because a car is presumably built with a “less lethal” purpose, it’s not as dangerous as a firearm?

Top Cat said:
Did you really take a minute to digest my point. Honestly, heal thyself.
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I’ll take your concession here, since you refused to address the point.


Top Cat said:
You show me where I claimed this. All I suggested was to require a simple safety class before issuing a permit. I never said anything about "controlling firearms or making them more difficult to obtain". If your idea of difficult to obtain is passing a simple safety test, well hell I guess I'm Hitler then.

would this safety course have prevented this tragedy? Probably not. Could it prevent others? In my opinion yes.

This is precisely what I mean. Gun nuts will not discuss this issue with any rational thought.
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You claimed it right here:

Top Cat said:
Shall I list countries with stricter gun control laws that have a lower rate of murders? No of course you wouldn't want to go there.
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You implied that more gun control had a correlation to crime rate and then danced around answering when you were called to actually back up your statement.

I’ll take your bait, how would a licensing process like what one goes through for a vehicle have kept this kid from taking a gun to school?


Honestly, I think it would be hilarious if guns had the same licensing process as cars.

No one of any age would need a permit or training to own and operate a gun on private property.

There would be no requirement to register any gun kept on that private property.

The only restrictions on what a person could buy would be limited by depth of their wallet.

There would be no background check for purchases and no database of who bought what and no restrictions on who a person could buy from.

They could take their gun to all 50 states without having to go through a different licensing process in each state.

All this for a 30 minute range test and a couple multiple choice questions to get licensed? Maybe you’re on to something here… or maybe you just haven’t thought this through, like the rest of your argument.
 
VanceMack said:
Kid wouldnt be sent to Juvenile detention (not 'jail', the klink, or the big house)
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For someone who claims to have run a Juvi center you're either completely out of touch with reality or full of BS. Juvi is jail to a 9 year old. To suggest otherwise is turd polish.
 
theangryamerican said:
I’m still waiting for you to put forward a common sense law…
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This is precisely what I was referring to when i suggested that it is impossible to have a rational conversation with a gun nut. Up is down, in is out.




Wait, let me get a handle on this logic. Cars kill 150% more people than firearms, but a gun is more lethal, in you opinion? A gunshot wound is fatal less than half the time, despite what you saw on CSI this week, but because a car is presumably built with a “less lethal” purpose, it’s not as dangerous as a firearm?
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Really? THIS is your argument? I feel like I am chatting with a middle schooler here. The inane analogy is so full of holes I have no idea where to begin.


In the average week, how many times do you discharge your firearm? And how much time do you spend behind the wheel, let along the number of times you fire up your car? And how many people are exposed to harm by being somwhere near your car versus your firearm/ I mean c'mon. Really?





I’ll take your concession here, since you refused to address the point.
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I got your concession hanging Skippy.




I’ll take your bait, how would a licensing process like what one goes through for a vehicle have kept this kid from taking a gun to school?
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I never claimed that it would. In fact i suggested otherwise.


Honestly, I think it would be hilarious if guns had the same licensing process as cars.
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Considering how inane several of your comments were I'm not at all surprised.
No one of any age would need a permit or training to own and operate a gun on private property.
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Now we're moving into predicting the future? Quite a talent.





All this for a 30 minute range test and a couple multiple choice questions to get licensed? Maybe you’re on to something here… or maybe you just haven’t thought this through, like the rest of your argument.
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Thanks for putting all kinds of delusions into my supposed argument. Are you done with this little play act yet? I'm still laughing.
 
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Top Cat said:
For someone who claims to have run a Juvi center you're either completely out of touch with reality or full of BS. Juvi is jail to a 9 year old. To suggest otherwise is turd polish.
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Son, you know precisely jack and ****. Juvenile detention has a ton of different facets. There are different wards, different populations, multiple different levels of care. Come back and talk to me after you have the first ****ing clue. Or at least after you get out of high school and your moms basement.
 
VanceMack said:
Son, you know precisely jack and ****. Juvenile detention has a ton of different facets. There are different wards, different populations, multiple different levels of care. Come back and talk to me after you have the first ****ing clue. Or at least after you get out of high school and your moms basement.
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you suggest that a 9 year old child can discern the difference? Really? And you expect anyone to take you seriously? Keep em comin Shecky. I got your son by the way.
 
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Top Cat said:
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I'm the first one here to suggest that there be tighter controls on firearms. This whole thing is sickening. And obviously the Mother will get sued at the very least in a civil suit. But I am at a total loss to understand how prosecuting this 9 year old boy, AND keeping him from his custodial parent is a good idea in the wake of this tragic accident.

Putting a 9 year old boy in jail accomplishes what here?
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there are more than enough gun control laws. It seems that the liberals default position is punishing everyone else due to the stupidity of someone who violated a law.
 
Top Cat said:
you suggest that a 9 year old child can discern the difference? Really? And you expect anyone to take you seriously? Keep em comin Shecky. I got your son by the way.
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Like I said...you don't know **** about ****. Yes...9 year olds are perfectly capable of comprehending what and why they are there. In most juvenile facilities they have staffed case workers (not prison guards) workin with the youth. They conduct individual meetings as well as group in addition to attending school. You havent the first clue. But then...why should you. Life is pretty sweet living off mommy.
 
VanceMack said:
Like I said...you don't know **** about ****. Yes...9 year olds are perfectly capable of comprehending what and why they are there. In most juvenile facilities they have staffed case workers (not prison guards) workin with the youth. They conduct individual meetings as well as group in addition to attending school. You havent the first clue. But then...why should you. Life is pretty sweet living off mommy.
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My now 14 year old starting training with a 22 caliber Walther P-22 at age 7 or 8. He damn well knows not to bring a gun to school and he knew that within 5 minutes of starting training. And the blame the gun crowd are tiresome and silly
 
VanceMack said:
'Jail' (Juvenile Detention) may be the best thing for this kid considering his family circumstances. AT least in detention he would get mandated access to counseling and therapy.

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If the boy is found guilty of the charges, he could be ordered to spend up to 30 days in juvenile detention and 12 months on the juvenile version of probation and to perform 150 hours of community service.
A capacity hearing will be held in two weeks to determine if the charges will ultimately proceed. Under state law, children between 8 and 12 years old can face charges if a court determines the child has the capacity to understand an act is wrong."

His family history...

"When he was 2 ½, police found methamphetamine and syringes in his mother's belongings, court documents say. Later that same month, Chaffin was charged with forgery after trying to cash stolen checks. She was later convicted. When he was 3 ½, Chaffin was charged with selling marijuana out of a Kitsap motel. By this point, she had four children, according to court records. Meanwhile, Jason Cochran was convicted of domestic violence for assaulting Chaffin. He later violated the protection order. He repeatedly failed to pay child support and was held in contempt. Three or four years ago, they both relinquished their parental rights"

Tragic situation...
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This poor child never had a chance. Bless his little heart. :(

The child's situation is tragic. Using a child's tragedy for political points is a travesty. For shame... and y'all know who you are.
 
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TurtleDude said:
there are more than enough gun control laws. It seems that the liberals default position is punishing everyone else due to the stupidity of someone who violated a law.
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Have you read this thread? Clearly not. So here, let me generalize. Just like righties to walk into a room blind and assume they have a clue.
 
DiAnna said:
This poor child never had a chance. Bless his little heart. :(

The child's situation is tragic. Using a child's tragedy for political points is a travesty. For shame... and y'all know who you are.
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sometimes I think rather than people passing background checks to own guns, we'd solve more problems by requiring one before people are allowed to breed
 
Top Cat said:
Have you read this thread? Clearly not. So here, let me generalize. Just like righties to walk into a room blind and assume they have a clue.
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OH TELL ME "WISE" ONE what did you say in the opening post

Oh Here it is

I'm the first one here to suggest that there be tighter controls on firearms.
 
VanceMack said:
Like I said...you don't know **** about ****. Yes...9 year olds are perfectly capable of comprehending what and why they are there. In most juvenile facilities they have staffed case workers (not prison guards) workin with the youth. They conduct individual meetings as well as group in addition to attending school. You havent the first clue. But then...why should you. Life is pretty sweet living off mommy.
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I wish. Mom died in 81 son.
 
TurtleDude said:
OH TELL ME "WISE" ONE what did you say in the opening post
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Did I suggest that the outcome be more gun laws? I certainly believe in the concept. But nowhere did I blame this situation on gun laws.In fact more than once on this thread I have suggested otherwise. you'd know that if you took the time to read. Clearly you haven't. But that didn't stop you from trying to pretend you had a clue. For the love of common sense, read the thread before proving how uninformed you really are.
 
Top Cat said:
Did I suggest that the outcome be more gun laws? I certainly believe in the concept. But nowhere did I blame this situation on gun laws.In fact more than once on this thread I have suggested otherwise. you'd know that if you took the time to read. Clearly you haven't. But that didn't stop you from trying to pretend you had a clue. For the love of common sense, read the thread before proving how uninformed you really are.
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stop your bloodclot babbling. You made an idiotic comment and I responded
 
Top Cat said:
Keep back peddling. I'll keep laughing.
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Do you admit or deny that you called for more gun restrictions

simple question

and I have forgotten more on criminal law and gun issues than you could ever hope to learn
 
TurtleDude said:
sometimes I think rather than people passing background checks to own guns, we'd solve more problems by requiring one before people are allowed to breed
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Guns aren't the problem. Stupid people who let children get ahold of their guns are the problem. Like I said, this poor kid was doomed. I hope his junkie mother never sees the light of day again. :(
 
TurtleDude said:
sometimes I think rather than people passing background checks to own guns, we'd solve more problems by requiring one before people are allowed to breed
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Before they vote too.
 
DiAnna said:
Guns aren't the problem. Stupid people who let children get ahold of their guns are the problem. Like I said, this poor kid was doomed. I hope his junkie mother never sees the light of day again. :(
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I agree. I'll say this, Turtle said his child started training at 7y.o. I myself started shooting at around 6 or 7 and I KNEW DAMN WELL not to bring a firearm out without proper supervision. Now that I'm an adult and have gained the skills and disciplines required of a responsible owner I still follow the same rules I knew at 6 being only where they are allowed and only where legal(I don't have my CCW yet so my choices are limited a little more).

I don't buy that a child "can't" know not to bring a weapon to school but know full well that if they don't know it there some serious adult guidance issues.
 
TurtleDude said:
Do you admit or deny that you called for more gun restrictions

simple question

and I have forgotten more on criminal law and gun issues than you could ever hope to learn
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I guess the cat's got his tongue
 
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