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Iran court convicts Christian pastor convert to death

The acceptable way for Iran to handle it is - death by drone. And then claim it as an accident, again...and again...and again. This way is apparently not barbaric. High tech killing is the honorable way. :roll: Plus, you can always say, "Oops, sorry. We didn't mean to, but what the hell. It wasn't on purpose. We'll be more care when we kill people with drones in the future."

Another entry in the Worst analogy in the World contest.

What is with you people? Can you not condemn an act of barbarism by Iran without taking shots at your own country? Were you also crying crocodile tears for poor Osama bin Laden, killed by those evil Americans?
 
To quote the Brothers Karamazov Chapter VII:

This soldier had been taken prisoner in some remote part of Asia, and was threatened with an immediate agonizing death if he did not renounce Christianity and follow Islam. He refused to deny his faith, and was tortured, flayed alive, and died, praising and glorifying Christ. Grigory had related the story at table. Fyodor Pavlovitch always liked, over the dessert after dinner, to laugh and talk, if only with Grigory. This afternoon he was in a particularly good-humored and expansive mood. Sipping his brandy and listening to the story, he observed that they ought to make a saint of a soldier like that, and to take his skin to some monastery. “That would make the people flock, and bring the money in.”

Grigory frowned, seeing that Fyodor Pavlovitch was by no means touched, but, as usual, was beginning to scoff. At that moment Smerdyakov, who was standing by the door, smiled. Smerdyakov often waited at table towards the end of dinner, and since Ivan's arrival in our town he had done so every day.

“What are you grinning at?” asked Fyodor Pavlovitch, catching the smile instantly, and knowing that it referred to Grigory.

“Well, my opinion is,” Smerdyakov began suddenly and unexpectedly in a loud voice, “that if that laudable soldier's exploit was so very great there would have been, to my thinking, no sin in it if he had on such an emergency renounced, so to speak, the name of Christ and his own christening, to save by that same his life, for good deeds, by which, in the course of years to expiate his cowardice.”

“How could it not be a sin? You're talking nonsense. For that you'll go straight to hell and be roasted there like mutton,” put in Fyodor Pavlovitch.
[pg 138]

It was at this point that Alyosha came in, and Fyodor Pavlovitch, as we have seen, was highly delighted at his appearance.

“We're on your subject, your subject,” he chuckled gleefully, making Alyosha sit down to listen.

“As for mutton, that's not so, and there'll be nothing there for this, and there shouldn't be either, if it's according to justice,” Smerdyakov maintained stoutly.

“How do you mean ‘according to justice’?” Fyodor Pavlovitch cried still more gayly, nudging Alyosha with his knee.

“He's a rascal, that's what he is!” burst from Grigory. He looked Smerdyakov wrathfully in the face.

“As for being a rascal, wait a little, Grigory Vassilyevitch,” answered Smerdyakov with perfect composure. “You'd better consider yourself that, once I am taken prisoner by the enemies of the Christian race, and they demand from me to curse the name of God and to renounce my holy christening, I am fully entitled to act by my own reason, since there would be no sin in it.”

A theological discussion continues.
 
fydor ,one of the most horrible characters in the classics.:roll:
 
he is as real as christ.:roll:

I like what xfactor said.

It doesn't really matter how "real" you perceive Mohammad to be. MY belief is that Jesus is very real and IS the son of God. That is MY faith though, and I have no right to force that upon someone, or the right to force someone to say: Jesus WAS real historically speaking. That would not be civillized. It would also go against my faith to do that. You cannot be forced to God. Then it isn't your belief. But I am diverging off the main point.

The main point is that Iran is only murdering this man because of his religous difference. It is barbaric and uncivillized. No civillized government would allow a man to be put to death for his religous difference. That is ANYWHERE on Earth. When will Iran learn tollerance?
 
i dont know when it will learn but islam is the last one and approves him,and as a deistic muslim, i like christ much more than other muslims.but other muslims like him too.
 
It's pretty hard no to blame them for this, isn't it? Or are muslims never to be held accountable for anything? This is being done in the name of their religion, and I'd bet you most muslims in Iran have no problem with it.

This constant defense of everything any Muslim country does on the basis of dislike for the U.S. and its foreign policy is bizarre.

When Spain had its inquisitions, was Christianity to blame?

I'm a strong Christian, but you can't blame Islam the religion for this atrocity without being hypocritical. The blame is with Iran.

The Christian who is given the death sentence in Iran is a martyr, just like the early martyrs of the Christian faith.

His death will have a lot of meaning.
 
The main point is that Iran is only murdering this man because of his religous difference. It is barbaric and uncivillized. No civillized government would allow a man to be put to death for his religous difference. That is ANYWHERE on Earth. When will Iran learn tollerance?

They were tolerant... they were going to allow him to live if he confirmed muhhammad existed. He couldve just lied, they wouldve tolerated that... he had to just sing a line or two from the quran most likely and he wouldve been fine and his kids wouldve had a father still.

He deprived his children of their father and for that he is selfish.

If I was caught by North Korea and forced to admit a known historical reality to them, I'd probably say 'oh **** yeah, sure I read wikipedia'
and I'd remain alive, even if I decided to lie.

The guy was a fool, plain and simple.

50 years ago some folks couldnt whistle at a white woman without being executed by a mob.

Seriously.
 
They were tolerant... they were going to allow him to live if he confirmed muhhammad existed. He couldve just lied, they wouldve tolerated that... he had to just sing a line or two from the quran most likely and he wouldve been fine and his kids wouldve had a father still.

He deprived his children of their father and for that he is selfish.

If I was caught by North Korea and forced to admit a known historical reality to them, I'd probably say 'oh **** yeah, sure I read wikipedia'
and I'd remain alive, even if I decided to lie.

The guy was a fool, plain and simple.

50 years ago some folks couldnt whistle at a white woman without being executed by a mob.

Seriously.

Well, it obvious you don't understand the importance of a person's religion. It would be nothing for you to say whatever because it doesn't matter to you. To those of us that do have religious conviction, we understand why the pastor stands by his beliefs.

BTW, I don't think he's been executed yet. It's unfathomable to me, though, that someone would fault the persecuted person for their own execution, as if Iran just faultless and has no choice but to kill him.
 
Well, it obvious you don't understand the importance of a person's religion. It would be nothing for you to say whatever because it doesn't matter to you. To those of us that do have religious conviction, we understand why the pastor stands by his beliefs.

I don't really care what your religious beliefs are or what your conceptions of religious freedom are... you could be a flying roflcopter worshipper that thinks the earth is flat.

BTW, I don't think he's been executed yet. It's unfathomable to me, though, that someone would fault the persecuted person for their own execution, as if Iran just faultless and has no choice but to kill him.

The man is vain and foolish to do what he did in Iran. I don't 'enjoy' what the Iranian government does, but he should confirm the fact that there are authorities over him, which would let him go if he had some common sense. He's merely punishing his family.
 
I don't really care what your religious beliefs are or what your conceptions of religious freedom are... you could be a flying roflcopter worshipper that thinks the earth is flat.
Exactly what I said. Religion means nothing to you, so you can't understand why it means something to others.

The man is vain and foolish to do what he did in Iran. I don't 'enjoy' what the Iranian government does, but he should confirm the fact that there are authorities over him, which would let him go if he had some common sense. He's merely punishing his family.

You may not "enjoy" what the Iranian government does, but you do seem only too happy to justify it. BTW, those that condemn this man are also doing it out of religious conviction. Why do you justify their beliefs/actions but not the pastor's?
 
Exactly what I said. Religion means nothing to you, so you can't understand why it means something to others.

Flying roflcopter worshippers that think the earth is flat are an infection on society that destabilizes the nation state as a whole.

You may not "enjoy" what the Iranian government does, but you do seem only too happy to justify it. BTW, those that condemn this man are also doing it out of religious conviction. Why do you justify their beliefs/actions but not the pastor's?

You'll never get me to call this man a martyr. Their actions are justified by power. Just like a legal entity anywhere.
Rastafarianism wont get you far during prohibition here... yet I'd prefer we could doob it up and relax at a cafe on the street, unfortunately wed all get maced and taken to prison.
My religion could state the government of the USA is illegitimate, and if people began following and I stepped out of line to act on my 'religion' I'd be ****ing toast.

Also... I dont think theres a country in history thats been in complete strategic encirclement that doesnt start lobbing heads off.
 
Flying roflcopter worshippers that think the earth is flat are an infection on society that destabilizes the nation state as a whole.



You'll never get me to call this man a martyr. Their actions are justified by power. Just like a legal entity anywhere.
Rastafarianism wont get you far during prohibition here... yet I'd prefer we could doob it up and relax at a cafe on the street, unfortunately wed all get maced and taken to prison.
My religion could state the government of the USA is illegitimate, and if people began following and I stepped out of line to act on my 'religion' I'd be ****ing toast.

Also... I dont think theres a country in history thats been in complete strategic encirclement that doesnt start lobbing heads off.

Huh, so might makes right? And here I thought you were all anti-imperialism and ****. Tell me you're, at least, consistent and support the death penalty in the US for the exact same reasons as you just used to justify Iran's actions.
 
Their actions are justified by power.
Their actions are NOT justified, by power or anything else. A man's faith should be his own, and he should only answer to God for it, not to other men. The problem with religion is when people think they're God's executioner.
 
Huh, so might makes right? And here I thought you were all anti-imperialism and ****. Tell me you're, at least, consistent and support the death penalty in the US for the exact same reasons as you just used to justify Iran's actions.

Gotcha, you're actually pinching me hard on that one.
I am anti-imperialism, but this is an internal issue, driven by a larger actor that has said nation in encirclement, and another actor that plays cool when Iran plays apocalypse.

Tell me you're, at least, consistent and support the death penalty in the US for the exact same reasons as you just used to justify Iran's actions.

No, the US would not be destabilized by the spreading of most religions as uncomfortable as that would be for most of us. It sucks that they're gonna kill the guy, but the guy probably thinks christ comes back when Israel annexes all its biblical territory and all the Jews turn Christian and everyone not like him ****ing dies in an apocalypse in this lifetime he can assist to bring.

We take care of nutters too... but our degree of tolerance happens to be very much higher.
 
Their actions are NOT justified, by power or anything else. A man's faith should be his own, and he should only answer to God for it, not to other men.

On what sparkly planet of bunnies and duckies is this? Sounds to me like you live in some isolated country of philosophical luxuries, such a place would have to kill about 50 million people elsewhere to afford that.

I'm in asshole mode, btw.
Just tusslin'
 
Gotcha, you're actually pinching me hard on that one.
I am anti-imperialism, but this is an internal issue, driven by a larger actor that has said nation in encirclement, and another actor that plays cool when Iran plays apocalypse.



No, the US would not be destabilized by the spreading of most religions as uncomfortable as that would be for most of us. It sucks that they're gonna kill the guy, but the guy probably thinks christ comes back when Israel annexes all its biblical territory and all the Jews turn Christian and everyone not like him ****ing dies in an apocalypse in this lifetime he can assist to bring.

We take care of nutters too... but our degree of tolerance happens to be very much higher.

I honestly don't believe you think it sucks, at all. In fact, you seem to suggest that the pastor deserves it for beliefs you find reprehensible yet don't even know for a fact that he has. I'm ok you feel that way, I'd prefer though, you just be honest about it.
 
No, you are simply unthinkingly authoritarian.

How did you know I was the Imam and I ordered him dead...?

I honestly don't believe you think it sucks, at all. In fact, you seem to suggest that the pastor deserves it for beliefs you find reprehensible yet don't even know for a fact that he has. I'm ok you feel that way, I'd prefer though, you just be honest about it.

I am as pleased at seeing him die as I am any fool...
more saddened than anything.
 
How did you know I was the Imam and I ordered him dead...?

Never said you were. You are an unthinking authoritarian by nature of your supporting it.

How old are you btw? You seem to be in that acting out phase of your life.
 
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