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Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

Thunder said:
not even. we don't know how the majority of the people of Texas feel about this POS law.
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I personally feel that the purpose of this law is to guilt trip woman and has no basis in medical necessity

posteing this from Dallas Texas.
 
Thunder said:
false choice, my friend.

Obamacare mandates NO elective & invasive procedures to be done on any unwilling persons, under penalty of fine/prison for the victim & loss of medical license for the doctor who refuses.

THAT is what I am against. Got it?
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Oh, believe me when I say I have the full picture of what you are advocating here.

That aside, so when you see the government threatening to force Catholic hospitals to preform abortions as a part of Obamacare, then you'd be against that?

When Obamacare wants to force a pharmacist to dispense RU486 then you'd be against that?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Oh, believe me when I say I have the full picture of what you are advocating here.

That aside, so when you see the government threatening to force Catholic hospitals to preform abortions as a part of Obamacare, then you'd be against that?

When Obamacare wants to force a pharmacist to dispense RU486 then you'd be against that?

j-mac
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you're scare tactics are sad...and stupid.

however, ordering someone to sell something, is slightly different than ordering a woman to undergo a totally elective but highly invasive procedure, against her will, for purely ideological purposes....under penalty of prison.
 
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Thunder said:
Honestly, I simply cannot understand how ANY American, could support the government FORCING women to undergo an unwanted, totally elective medical procedure, when its clear its been demanded for ideological reasons..and not concerns for the health of the woman. Under penalty of prison, no less.

Now I see how forced sterilization was allowed for soo long in this nation.
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Honestly, I simply cannot understand how ANY American (or human being) could support the government ALLOWING women to undergo a medical procedure that ends the life of their child.
 
Josie said:
Honestly, I simply cannot understand how ANY American (or human being) could support the government ALLOWING women to undergo a medical procedure that ends the life of their child.
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People generally don't understand much until they wear many moccasins. Then the light bulb goes off. Pray some moccasins never fit.
 
Josie said:
Honestly, I simply cannot understand how ANY American (or human being) could support the government ALLOWING women to undergo a medical procedure that ends the life of their child.
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even if its only 1-week old? please..
 
Josie said:
Honestly, I simply cannot understand how ANY American (or human being) could support the government ALLOWING women to undergo a medical procedure that ends the life of their child.
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Because having children is the biggest, most life, mind, and body changing event any female will ever face.

And many people might not ever consider it for their self but can understand and sympathize with the woman's situation, her fears, concerns and inabilities.
 
j-mac said:
Does Planned Parenthood recieve government funds?


j-mac
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The funds that go to Planned Parenthood and other women's health care providers does not fund abortions. The funds are allocated for things such as breast cancer and cervical cancer screenings, STD tests and education and a whole variety of things that have nothing to do with abortion. These organizations do much much more and abortion is only a very small part of what they do, the government funds do NOT fund abortions.
 
taxigirl said:
The funds that go to Planned Parenthood and other women's health care providers does not fund abortions. The funds are allocated for things such as breast cancer and cervical cancer screenings, STD tests and education and a whole variety of things that have nothing to do with abortion. These organizations do much much more and abortion is only a very small part of what they do, the government funds do NOT fund abortions.
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they don't care. tax-payer money goes to PP, and PP does abortions, so ifso-facto.....the USA pays for abortions.

;)
 
This is a terrible law, a contrivance and serves special interests without respecting the rights of those who this law effects. The bright side is there are loopholes, "exceptions to the law are made if a patient doesn't live within 100 miles of a provider... is underage or has a fetus with an irreversible medical condition or abnormality."

U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks, who heard the case said, "There can be little doubt that (the law) is an attempt by the Texas Legislature to discourage women from exercising their constitutional rights by making it more difficult for caring and competent physicians to perform abortions"

U.S. judge allows enforcement of Texas abortion law
 
Thunder said:
they don't care. tax-payer money goes to PP, and PP does abortions, so ifso-facto.....the USA pays for abortions.

;)
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Funds are allocated / assigned and kept separate. Think of it like an attorney. Attorneys have to keep each client's funds separate, without collusion. The same is true of many businesses and organizations. This is what regulations and accountants and the IRS monitor.
 
Josie said:
The child is still a child no matter how old he/she is.
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Is that all there is to it in your mind? You're trying to simplify one of the most complicated things in life. There's far more to being a mother/parent than just having kids.
 
j-mac said:
Obamacare is mandating treatments, what can be done, what can not, even down to plastic surgery, a totally elective surgery.

j-mac
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What are you talking about? "Obamacare" doesn't mandate treatments, period.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Is that all there is to it in your mind? You're trying to simplify one of the most complicated things in life. There's far more to being a mother/parent than just having kids.
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Well, yes. The definition of life is very simple. And my comment had nothing to do with being a parent, simply that a human is a human no matter how young or small they are.
 
j-mac said:
No, maybe I was trying to be too clever by half....Look I'll make it simple...Obamacare is mandating treatments, what can be done, what can not, even down to plastic surgery, a totally elective surgery. The contraception issue, I think is manufactured callously by the administration to deflect from the record of Obama in an election year with the added benefit for him of sticking a finger in the eye of religion, and the Constitution.

The bottom line is this, I believe that abortion is accepted in this country as it is now at about 12 weeks. At that point it is not a cluster of cells anymore, nor is it anything but a human being growing in there....

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This is unmistakable and the reason I believe that proponents don't want the mother to see it.


j-mac
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Abortion is legal up to 24 weeks in parts of the US. Google 24 week fetus, it'll blow your mind. These people are sick.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Texas abortion law sparks anger, resignation | www.ktvu.com


A new Texas law requires that women seeking an abortion to see a sonogram of the fetus, as well are asked to hear the heartbeat of the fetus.

Words cannot describe how disappointed I am.
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agreed. they should be required to watch the procedure. so, when (if they are advanced far enough) their baby tries frantically to avoid the saw, they can observe first hand in raw honesty what they are doing.

if what you're doing is so horrible that you can't stand to become aware of it... maybe you shouldn't be doing it.
 
Josie said:
Well, yes. The definition of life is very simple. And my comment had nothing to do with being a parent, simply that a human is a human no matter how young or small they are.
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It's simple?

So what's the definition of life, then - what makes something alive and something not alive?

A heartbeat, lungs, self awareness, cellular development, sensations, thoughts?

Scientists can't even agree on what exactly defines life - but I guess you have knowledge they don't have so anytime you'd like to share this secret you've learned I'd like to read your research papers on it.
 
cpwill said:
agreed. they should be required to watch the procedure. so, when (if they are advanced far enough) their baby tries frantically to avoid the saw, they can observe first hand in raw honesty what they are doing.

if what you're doing is so horrible that you can't stand to become aware of it... maybe you shouldn't be doing it.
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Just a "strawman" question, since "scenarios" are being played here to garner sympathy for something attached and growing in a womb that isn't wanted:

Your daughter has been raped. Lets make it a really good strawman, shall we? Say the guy that raped your daughter was your husband. Or an uncle. She is under much stress. She has been affected so badly, she is determined to remove the growth inside her as soon as the tests come back that yes, she is pregnant. Will you insist she have the baby and dismiss HER needs? Force her to carry to term so the kid can be adopted no matter how badly it affects HER mental state? Or do you do what is best for HER well being and let HER choose?
 
cpwill said:
agreed. they should be required to watch the procedure. so, when (if they are advanced far enough) their baby tries frantically to avoid the saw, they can observe first hand in raw honesty what they are doing.

if what you're doing is so horrible that you can't stand to become aware of it... maybe you shouldn't be doing it.
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By the same token the father who must be responsible for the raising of the child be given a projection of the financial burden, the emotional and familial responsibility to digest and then allow the two parties to discuss this.

The law is just so wrong in may ways. It handcuffs the physician, the woman is scapegoated and the child who may become the responsibility of the state is hardly thought of.
 
I offer to adopt the child myself; and since she's my daughter, she probably moves back in with us while she's pregnant. Asking a mother not to kill her child does not require dismissing her needs.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
It's simple?

So what's the definition of life, then - what makes something alive and something not alive?

A heartbeat, lungs, self awareness, cellular development, sensations, thoughts?

Scientists can't even agree on what exactly defines life - but I guess you have knowledge they don't have so anytime you'd like to share this secret you've learned I'd like to read your research papers on it.
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It's only complicated for those who want to justify abortion. Human life begins at conception.
 
cpwill said:
I offer to adopt the child myself; and since she's my daughter, she probably moves back in with us while she's pregnant. Asking a mother not to kill her child does not require dismissing her needs.
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Would you at 15 years old? or if you were a rapist? or if the child were to be so disabled the only merciful thing would be to abort the fetus. There are parental rights which trump a grandparent's rights.
 
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