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Texas law requires women to hear description of fetus before abortion

name one. this is the second time you have made this vague claim.


Have you even read the current mandate from HHS?

Funny though how I took your own words and changed only the part about the taxpayer....Good Gawd!


j-mac
 
The mother....I doubt that the baby would be emotionally happy with having their brain scrambled and then sucked out with the Kirby.

j-mac

And that is up to you to decide the emotional needs of a person you have never met nor never will?
 
The mother....I doubt that the baby would be emotionally happy with having their brain scrambled and then sucked out with the Kirby.

j-mac

so you value the needs of a weeks-old ZEF more than those of an adult woman?

gotcha'.
 
Honestly, I simply cannot understand how ANY American, could support the government FORCING the taxpayer to pay for a totally elective medical procedure, when its clear its been demanded for ideological reasons..and not concerns for the health of the woman......


j-mac

The line between elective and unnecessary Vs necessary is fuzzy - if you'd apply that to other things like dental surgery: sure - you don't HAVE to have it but not covering it would put someone in undue stress for no real reason (just an example of how that could be applied - in the wrong way - to something else)
 
I'm a native Texan who is profoundly embarrassed that such extremist religious right ignorance holds control over the educational system and legislation.
 
By the way, I'm not for the government forcing anyone to have a medical procedure either. I'm also not for the government allowing doctors to suck a human life out of a woman without any consequences. The government should be about protecting the freedom of ALL humans - even the very tiniest.

The mother....I doubt that the baby would be emotionally happy with having their brain scrambled and then sucked out with the Kirby.

j-mac

These two quotes sum up my views perfectly. Only some abortion threads in the end actually get to discussing the meat and potatoes of what we all believe. In reality, almost no one here would want the government to force a medical procedure on someone. The real core of the debate is whether a fetus is a living being or not, which makes this discussion really no different than any of the other abortion threads.
 
These two quotes sum up my views perfectly. Only some abortion threads in the end actually get to discussing the meat and potatoes of what we all believe. In reality, almost no one here would want the government to force a medical procedure on someone. The real core of the debate is whether a fetus is a living being or not, which makes this discussion really no different than any of the other abortion threads.

Speaking for myself...I don't give a rats ass if it's a living being or not. So are tapeworms.
 
and in the meantime, this issue will FIRE up Liberals and all others who support womens'-rights, in this country.

so in some ways, this is a gift to us :)

It will also fire up pro-life individuals who can see hope in bringing the injustice of elective abortions to an end.
 
And that is up to you to decide the emotional needs of a person you have never met nor never will?



Nope, and I didn't say it was, but thanks for playin'


j-mac
 
These two quotes sum up my views perfectly. Only some abortion threads in the end actually get to discussing the meat and potatoes of what we all believe. In reality, almost no one here would want the government to force a medical procedure on someone. The real core of the debate is whether a fetus is a living being or not, which makes this discussion really no different than any of the other abortion threads.

I don't think so. I think everyone knows it is living. I don't think I've ever seen anyone argue that. The argument is over whether the pregnant woman can kill it or not.
 
I don't think so. I think everyone knows it is living. I don't think I've ever seen anyone argue that. The argument is over whether the pregnant woman can kill it or not.

The crux of the biscuit isn't "living", but "being".
 
The crux of the biscuit isn't "living", but "being".

I understand, the person issue. Being isn't the right word, though. Entity, maybe, in the sense that it exists (but not independently).
 
I don't see why it must be something other than what it is: cells that are dividing based on natural laws and are doing so without awareness or higher function.

Higher functions don't come until enough cells form to develop the components necessary to begin building a being.
 
Obamacare FORCES women to take contraceptives, under penalty of prison? wtf are you talking about???

No, maybe I was trying to be too clever by half....Look I'll make it simple...Obamacare is mandating treatments, what can be done, what can not, even down to plastic surgery, a totally elective surgery. The contraception issue, I think is manufactured callously by the administration to deflect from the record of Obama in an election year with the added benefit for him of sticking a finger in the eye of religion, and the Constitution.

The bottom line is this, I believe that abortion is accepted in this country as it is now at about 12 weeks. At that point it is not a cluster of cells anymore, nor is it anything but a human being growing in there....

12weekspregnant.jpg


This is unmistakable and the reason I believe that proponents don't want the mother to see it.


j-mac
 
...This is unmistakable and the reason I believe that proponents don't want the mother to see it.

j-mac

great.

meanwhile, the government has NO business mandating elective & invasive procedures, for purely ideological purposes.
 
great.

meanwhile, the government has NO business mandating elective & invasive procedures, for purely ideological purposes.


Well, then you can't have it both ways....If you want government out of it, then they must totally get out of it, and you pay for your own damn decission.


j-mac
 
Well, then you can't have it both ways....If you want government out of it, then they must totally get out of it, and you pay for your own damn decission.


j-mac


The government pays for abortions now?
 
Well, then you can't have it both ways....If you want government out of it, then they must totally get out of it, and you pay for your own damn decission....

false choice, my friend.

Obamacare mandates NO elective & invasive procedures to be done on any unwilling persons, under penalty of fine/prison for the victim & loss of medical license for the doctor who refuses.

THAT is what I am against. Got it?
 
great.

meanwhile, the government has NO business mandating elective & invasive procedures, for purely ideological purposes.

I personally believe that abortion is disgusting. However, I have no right to control what someone else does. This is a case of majority rule stepping over minority rights.
 
I personally believe that abortion is disgusting. However, I have no right to control what someone else does. This is a case of majority rule stepping over minority rights.

not even. we don't know how the majority of the people of Texas feel about this POS law.
 
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