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PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

I am cooking right now.

You are and that explains this very humorous portion of the thread. I would join you if I could.

I only had two.

Ok, I am not looking to bomb attack blow up anybody. I like the sanctions and hope they achieve their intended purpose..

I agree. I believe we would be making a grave mistake if we did not do everything possible to avoid armed conflict. It would not likely remain contained within the country. Will they attack American interests otherwise? They've had reason to for a long, long time and they have not. It would extremely stupid for them to do so, especially now.

My wish is for us to fully commit to finding alternative energy sources and to develop them quickly so that we may leave that region permanently and as soon as possible.
 
Well Hot Damn, about F*ing time.

Guess Iran sending a war ship into the mediterranean toward Isreal was finally enough for even a few the commie loveing, tofu munching, kumbaya singing cowards currently running Washington to wake and see a truth that some have known for decades.

So, to those zealous morons in Teheran, Good bye, good riddence and don't let the door hit where the good lord split you on the way out.

Hmmmm Please enlighten me to the "truth that you have known for decades"
You have known that Iran have a very small Navy, Consisting of mostly obsolete equipment.
Or
Iran is operating their Navy in international waters.
 
I just noticed that this is the "attack Iran" thread and not the "Iran Navy" thread...
But my question still stands; What is this "truth" of which you speak?
 
Iran and Iraq = apples and oranges

In regards to military threat to the US they are peas in a pod. In that they both have oil we want, they are peas in a pod.
 
Israel is one of our longest standing and most reliable allies, certainly in the middle east at least. It also lies in a very hostile region of the world with vital US interests (terrorism, oil, etc) which makes it of even more of a strategic ally.

Alliances usually go both ways. I didn't see Israel follow the U.S into Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan. I don't know of any other "allies" who engage in espionage against the U.S. I also don't know of any other allies who have attacked a U.S ship.
 
Well Hot Damn, about F*ing time.

Guess Iran sending a war ship into the mediterranean toward Isreal was finally enough for even a few the commie loveing, tofu munching, kumbaya singing cowards currently running Washington to wake and see a truth that some have known for decades.

So, to those zealous morons in Teheran, Good bye, good riddence and don't let the door hit where the good lord split you on the way out.

One was a cadet ship and the other was a supply ship.. Hardly a cause for alarm.
 
I can only imagine the news that the Iranian people are getting right now. We are probably being portrayed correctly in the fact that we are causing them significant harm. If we go into that country, I can't believe that there will be any open arms for us. This won't be Iraq...this will be war. Can we please leave these people alone?

BTW, Maggie D, I loved your comment...what business is it of ours? No effing clue but the world police demand we blow up their infrastructure, rebuild it, get thrown out of their country after trillions in investment. Seems extremely counter productive.
 
Well Hot Damn, about F*ing time.

Guess Iran sending a war ship into the mediterranean toward Isreal was finally enough for even a few the commie loveing, tofu munching, kumbaya singing cowards currently running Washington to wake and see a truth that some have known for decades.

So, to those zealous morons in Teheran, Good bye, good riddence and don't let the door hit where the good lord split you on the way out.

The US has been concerned about Iran's nuclear program since 2003. This event is probably the most insignificant in the entire timeline. Where have you been?
 
The US has been concerned about Iran's nuclear program since 2003. This event is probably the most insignificant in the entire timeline. Where have you been?

Who, what...Iran? I was watching Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Africa, Greece Economy, North Korea attacking South Korea, China owning America...ah damn Iran.

/sarcasm
 
War with Iran has seemed an inevitability since the 70s. The longer we wait, the tougher it will be.

Simplistic, but true, considering the mentality that exists within the regime of this cockroach of a Middle Eastern country.
 
I agree. I believe we would be making a grave mistake if we did not do everything possible to avoid armed conflict. It would not likely remain contained within the country. Will they attack American interests otherwise? They've had reason to for a long, long time and they have not. It would extremely stupid for them to do so, especially now.

My wish is for us to fully commit to finding alternative energy sources and to develop them quickly so that we may leave that region permanently and as soon as possible.

We are doing very well to avoid conflict with Iran. Diplomacy has been attempted for years. A string of sanctions (and more on the way) are finally having an effect. We can only hope this will push Iran to the negotiating table. Iran has agreed to talk, but not about refining uranium, the very thing the West would like to discuss. So Iran's offer of talks, so far, is a false offer. Not sincere at all. Iran has countered with cutting of oil to the West before sanctions take effect. I think Iran believes we are in a stalemate where it will ultimately win. This is not true, of course. Oil can be had elsewhere. Iran is not the regional power that it imagines itself to be. It cannot win economically or militarily in this standoff.

I agree that the US and West should eliminate their need for oil. These constant flare-ups in the ME are just not worth it, they are usually related to the flow of oil, and they are mind-bogglingly expensive. In my mind, they qualify as a gigantic oil subsidy. But I would have to say that, in this instance, the US would still be involved. This conflict is not about securing oil, but about Iran's nuclear program. Does it include a weapons program or not? Many countries want to know for certain and Iran has refused to offer proof. This only make nations more concerned. So this conflict is NOT about oil, even though oil is being used as a weapon, it is about nuclear weapons.
 
So are we going to pass a war tax and actually declare war, or is this going to be just another thing on the national credit card?
 
This really makes me mad. What does Iran have to do to satisfy the United States that it is abandoning its efforts to make nuclear weapons? What proof do we have that they are even trying? They are being put in a no-win scenerio. And, yes, it is Iraq all over again. WMDs that didn't exist. Nuclear bombs that don't exist. And even if they do exist, what business is it of ours?

This cannot be said enough.

Sadly.
 
So you don't think they're working to acquire or develop nuclear capability?


From what I quoted:

And even if they do exist, what business is it of ours?


We have nukes. No one will beat us in that type of confrontation. Reagan, if you will remember, had this same attitude. It was not our place to rule the world.
 
From what I quoted:

And even if they do exist, what business is it of ours?


We have nukes. No one will beat us in that type of confrontation. Reagan, if you will remember, had this same attitude. It was not our place to rule the world.

But who could they pass this capability on to, given their radical leadership? This region of the world is ruled largely and discreetly run by terrorist factions who belong to no state.
 
But who could they pass this capability on to, given their radical leadership? This region of the world is ruled largely and discreetly run by terrorist factions who belong to no state.

Likely no one. They are not stupid. They helped us go into Iraq, knowing that is the best way to hurt us. Some fear too much and think too little. War with Iran will be costly, on all fronts, and largely unnecessary.
 
Likely no one. They are not stupid. They helped us go into Iraq, knowing that is the best way to hurt us. Some fear too much and think too little. War with Iran will be costly, on all fronts, and largely unnecessary.

Well, buckle your chinstrap, because we're going in.
 
Well, buckle your chinstrap, because we're going in.

Oh so you are going to enlist to fight this just war you believe in or are you expecting others to do it for you? Are willing to pay for it or do you want to charge it?
 
Likely no one. They are not stupid. They helped us go into Iraq, knowing that is the best way to hurt us. Some fear too much and think too little. War with Iran will be costly, on all fronts, and largely unnecessary.

If Iran were smart, they would come to the negotiating table and permit the IAEA access to inspect. Iran is being crippled by the sanctions and they cannot defeat the US OR Israel in a military fashion. Why persist? If no nuclear weapons program were found: the sanctions would be lifted, the US and Israel would have no further reason to threaten Iran, and Iran could continue operating their nuclear reactor. Doesn't anyone think this is the smartest, most non-stupid thing to do?
 
If Iran were smart, they would come to the negotiating table and permit the IAEA access to inspect. Iran is being crippled by the sanctions and they cannot defeat the US OR Israel in a military fashion. Why persist? If no nuclear weapons program were found: the sanctions would be lifted, the US and Israel would have no further reason to threaten Iran, and Iran could continue operating their nuclear reactor. Doesn't anyone think this is the smartest, most non-stupid thing to do?

Why would that be smart? It keeps us unsure. And there is reason to discredit us, make us jumpy.
 
If Iran were smart, they would come to the negotiating table and permit the IAEA access to inspect. Iran is being crippled by the sanctions and they cannot defeat the US OR Israel in a military fashion. Why persist? If no nuclear weapons program were found: the sanctions would be lifted, the US and Israel would have no further reason to threaten Iran, and Iran could continue operating their nuclear reactor. Doesn't anyone think this is the smartest, most non-stupid thing to do?

Or Israel could go to the peace table, leave the occupied territories and eliminate the need for HAMAS or Hezbollah.

Remember, Israel used to buy lots of oil from Iran.. in fact, I think they owed Iran 200 million dollars with interest for two decades.
 
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