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PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

Actually.. we sell weapons to Saudi Arabia and they don't get any humanitarian support.. never have.

Re Gulf War 1.... US$36 billion of the US$60 billion cost was paid by Saudi Arabia

link? even if they paid the $36B, it wasn't enough. SA is the primary supplier of 9/11 terrorists, but Bush attacked and occupied Itraq. Using that logic, we should build a fence between the USA and Canada to keep out those pesky Mexicans....
 
No, I am not deflecting. It would be damn near impossible for Iranians to kill American military in Iraq or Afghanistan if there was no American military presence in either of the two countries! Saudis killed 3,000 plus people on September 11 and you are advocating we attack Saudi Arabia as well? The Chinese send troops south during Vietnam to kill Americans. I missed the part where you advocated for attacking China.

Perhaps you should study the involvement of the United States in Iran. When you have completed your study tell me what you would expect the United States would do if the situation was reversed.

Apparently you missed a whole lot more than that. :lamo
 
I think the sources are questionable........
in your opinion, of course.....
Israel is a one nuke country....if any ONE Arab country succeeds in launching even ONE nuclear armed missle and it explodes over Israel, you can bet that the Middle East will become the proverbial "sea of glass".....
 
link? even if they paid the $36B, it wasn't enough. SA is the primary supplier of 9/11 terrorists, but Bush attacked and occupied Itraq. Using that logic, we should build a fence between the USA and Canada to keep out those pesky Mexicans....

Six of the dead terrorists were using fake IDs when they applied for US visas at the US Consulate in Arabia.

We have no idea WHO they were.

Saudi Arabia has been fighting terrorists for well over a decade and have become a huge counter terrorism asset to the US and the EU.

The US new when they attacked Iraq and overthrew, that Iran would fill the vacuum.
 
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using your "evidence" then we can conclude that the American military is engaged in hostile activities against the Palestinians in gaza because the israelis are using USA provided weaponry to conduct its campaigns of terror
 
Six of the dead terrorists were using fake IDs when they applied for US visas at the US Consulate in Arabia.

We have no idea WHO they were.

Saudi Arabia has been fighting terrorists for well over a decade and have become a huge counter terrorism asset to the US and the EU.

The US new when they attacked Iraq and overthrew, that Iran would fill the vacuum.
fake ID's doesn't mean they weren't from SA....the reason SA fights terrorists is to keep the wealth inside the Saudi royal family. To the royal family, asking that the wealth of SA be more proportionately shared with ALL Saudis makes them terrorists. Young men are still being taught in SA Mosques that western thought is evil and that to die fighting the west means martyrdom....
Oh joy, oh rapture, to die just so the Saudi Royal Family can maintain its stranglehold on the wealth of SA....yeah, that's a good reason to strap on a bomb.....I guess.
 
This really makes me mad. What does Iran have to do to satisfy the United States that it is abandoning its efforts to make nuclear weapons? What proof do we have that they are even trying? They are being put in a no-win scenerio. And, yes, it is Iraq all over again. WMDs that didn't exist. Nuclear bombs that don't exist. And even if they do exist, what business is it of ours?


This is just one nugget of many......


Iran has made it "our" business.....US forces and the current administration would be negligent of they did not take this seriously ..

On Wednesday the Iranian ambassador to Moscow, Seyed Mahmoud-Reza Sajjadi declared that Iran has the capabilities to carry out military strikes on US interests around the globe.

This comes after President Obama announced the United States would freeze all Iranian assets held in the US. The executive order which was signed on Monday was in reaction to what the US is calling deceptive practices by Iran
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Iran threatens to hit US targets worldwide
 
fake ID's doesn't mean they weren't from SA....the reason SA fights terrorists is to keep the wealth inside the Saudi royal family. To the royal family, asking that the wealth of SA be more proportionately shared with ALL Saudis makes them terrorists. Young men are still being taught in SA Mosques that western thought is evil and that to die fighting the west means martyrdom....
Oh joy, oh rapture, to die just so the Saudi Royal Family can maintain its stranglehold on the wealth of SA....yeah, that's a good reason to strap on a bomb.....I guess.

Saudis have always had easy access to US visas because they hav been sending Saudi students to the US since 1952.

In short they got preferential treatment.

Those Arabs could have been from Yemen or simply Hajj overstayers.

The SAG government spends 90% of the oil revenue on infrastructure in Saudi Arabia.. like power plants, housing, hospitals, universities, roads, railroads, water treatment plants, desalination plants, solar farms, historic preservation.. and 300 dam to capture ground water.

They are providing 250,000 Graduate level scholarships to European and US schools in the fields of finance, science and engineering, Medicine and international law.

They also make soft loans for small business development.. That's why manufacturing has exploded in the kingdom since 2007.. They now have 500,000 factory workers.

I really like the Sudeiri Seven.. They have an amazing track record over the past 70 years... and they are dedicated to the social and economic progress of the people.
 
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Apparently you missed a whole lot more than that. :lamo

Apparently. Make it easy for me to understand. I'll read it.
 
This really makes me mad. What does Iran have to do to satisfy the United States that it is abandoning its efforts to make nuclear weapons? What proof do we have that they are even trying? They are being put in a no-win scenerio. And, yes, it is Iraq all over again. WMDs that didn't exist. Nuclear bombs that don't exist. And even if they do exist, what business is it of ours?

Iran was offered nuclear fuel rods, complete and ready to install, in exchange for its enriched uranium.
But they want to make their own....you have to wonder about that.....
 
in your opinion, of course.....
Israel is a one nuke country....if any ONE Arab country succeeds in launching even ONE nuclear armed missle and it explodes over Israel, you can bet that the Middle East will become the proverbial "sea of glass".....

I don't know that Israel is a one nuke country. Which Arab countries have nukes?

As to the ME becoming a sea of glass, how is that a concern of the U.S?
 
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The issue is that Iran is a threat to the USA because they have been killing US servicemen for years, not who is supplying whom with arms.

No. You are deflecting. The reason the U.S. is beating war drums has to do with Iran's supposed nuclear program. It has nothing to do with whether or not Iran has been killing U.S. servicemen for years.
 
Saudis have always had easy access to US visas because they hav been sending Saudi students to the US since 1952.

In short they got preferential treatment.

Those Arabs could have been from Yemen or simply Hajj overstayers.

The SAG government spends 90% of the oil revenue on infrastructure in Saudi Arabia.. like power plants, housing, hospitals, universities, roads, railroads, water treatment plants, desalination plants, solar farms, historic preservation.. and 300 dam to capture ground water.

They are providing 250,000 Graduate level scholarships to European and US schools in the fields of finance, science and engineering, Medicine and international law.

They also make soft loans for small business development.. That's why manufacturing has exploded in the kingdom since 2007.. They now have 500,000 factory workers.

I really like the Sudeiri Seven.. They have an amazing track record over the past 70 years... and they are dedicated to the social and economic progress of the people.
and then there is this.....
a highly educated work force without private sector jobs thanks to low wages being paid to guest workers...most Saudis with jobs work for the govt....do you think that might affect the price of oil?

Idle Kingdom - By Ellen Knickmeyer | Foreign Policy
 
I don't know that Israel is a one nuke country. Which Arab countries have nukes?

As to the ME becoming a sea of glass, how is that a concern of the U.S?
"one nuke" means that Israel is so small that one nuclear weapon might be enough to destroy it......so Iran only needs one...
 
Iran was offered nuclear fuel rods, complete and ready to install, in exchange for its enriched uranium.
But they want to make their own....you have to wonder about that.....

I have to wonder about that information. (Thank you for it.) Here's what I found, though:

Ria Novosti quoted the Deputy Head of the Supreme National Security Council of Iran, saying that Iran produced the 20-percent-enriched fuel rods because Western countries had refused to assist Iran. He added that the Ferdoo nuclear facility has also begun operation under the inspection of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

http://www.payvand.com/news/12/feb/1170.html

This smells like the exact same position we put Iraq into. "We don't believe you. We have "evidence." I smell a rat. Honestly, I do.

Are they not entitled to nuclear energy? Research? I mean really. Their main enemy has nukes, so even if that was their goal, unless we are willing to step up and say, "We'll side with you if Israel attacks," who are we to stop them anyway?

In fact. Why aren't we saying that?? To both sides?? "If either of them sends missiles toward the other. If that area's so damned important (which, of course, it is), then we don't need to pick winners. We just need peace. What good are our storehouses of nukes...all of our technology...if we can't assure peace? Or a very Very VERY short war?
 
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As to the ME becoming a sea of glass, how is that a concern of the U.S?

Well, considering that the Middle East is currently the world's major source of petroleum, and the world uses petroleum-based fuels to run the engines in, well, a ****-load of machinery including automobiles and tractors, the last of which is used to cultivate the crops that feed the people of the world, it's pretty ****ing important.
 
The reason the U.S. is beating war drums has to do with Iran's supposed nuclear program.

Or that the Pentagon and/or private defense contractors wants to keep justifying high defense budgets.
 
and then there is this.....
a highly educated work force without private sector jobs thanks to low wages being paid to guest workers...most Saudis with jobs work for the govt....do you think that might affect the price of oil?

Idle Kingdom - By Ellen Knickmeyer | Foreign Policy

I don't know who Ellen Knickmeyer is.. but she is painting a very negative view.

Affect the price of oil? As their standard of living has improved.. of course it has.
 
Or that the Pentagon and/or private defense contractors wants to keep justifying high defense budgets.


Can you provide the data that supports your position?
 
This is just one nugget of many......


Iran has made it "our" business.....US forces and the current administration would be negligent of they did not take this seriously ..

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Iran threatens to hit US targets worldwide

OK, let me see if I have this right. Because we have been ****ing over and ****ing with the people in the ME for over 50 years (in modern times) and as we have helped to draw some of the borders; we have assisted in assassinating their leaders; we have had their heads of government overthrown; we have picked and "recognized" new leaders for them; we have occupied their land; destroyed their infrastructure; provided weapons and intelligence for one ME nation to use against another and vice versa; we have destroyed their infrastructure; we have "accidentally" killed their innocents by the tens of thousands; in places like Iraq we have made some areas of the country so toxic that their children are being born with disabilities at a much higher rate than normal; we disappeared their sons and husbands and fathers and brothers, some still in prisons across the world, many face no charges but have not been released; we've raped their children or allowed the to be raped in prisons; we have been loyal only to Saudi Arabia and Israel.

And Iran has made it "our" business now to be involved in Iran?

Tell me true, given all of the above and more, if these things, had been done Muslim nations to Canada and then to Mexico, assuming the US didn't have nukes do you think the US might be steady working to get a bomb soonest? Oh, hell yeah! Do you think the US would sit ideally by and not do all it could to assist Canada and Mexico so that the Muslim empire might be stopped while it was at the front and back doors of the US?

Do you think that if we attack Iran that it will stop them from attacking us all over the globe? LOL! If you were in their place would it stop you?
 
Well, considering that the Middle East is currently the world's major source of petroleum, and the world uses petroleum-based fuels to run the engines in, well, a ****-load of machinery including automobiles and tractors, the last of which is used to cultivate the crops that feed the people of the world, it's pretty ****ing important.

I agree Sam. But if that is the case, I'd like for the US government to be honest about and say upfront that they are going to kill, destroy, and maim whomever stands in its way to get oil. Let Americans know that people have died, are dying and will die so that we can have next day delivery from Amazon and big ass cars and toys and all of that and more. Perhaps if Americans were faced with the truth they'd tell the government to get serious about finding other ways to live with muuuuuch less oil.

In addition we all know that Peak Oil is here or just around the corner. I'm thinking already here. Point is, soon irresponsible use of petroleum will soon become a social issue. We ARE going to have to find other ways. There is no choice in that matter.

Something to think about: Suppose Iran knows just how limited oil is and is looking forward and planning toward a time when they will not have much oil and not enough money or time to build alternative fuel sources. It could be Iran is doing exactly what it says it's doing.
 
OK, let me see if I have this right. Because we have been ****ing over and ****ing with the people in the ME for over 50 years (in modern times) and as we have helped to draw some of the borders; we have assisted in assassinating their leaders; we have had their heads of government overthrown; we have picked and "recognized" new leaders for them; we have occupied their land; destroyed their infrastructure; provided weapons and intelligence for one ME nation to use against another and vice versa; we have destroyed their infrastructure; we have "accidentally" killed their innocents by the tens of thousands; in places like Iraq we have made some areas of the country so toxic that their children are being born with disabilities at a much higher rate than normal; we disappeared their sons and husbands and fathers and brothers, some still in prisons across the world, many face no charges but have not been released; we've raped their children or allowed the to be raped in prisons; we have been loyal only to Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Nice speech, a bit of blather, but, a wonderful sound bite nonetheless.

And Iran has made it "our" business now to be involved in Iran?

Tell me true, given all of the above and more, if these things, had been done Muslim nations to Canada and then to Mexico, assuming the US didn't have nukes do you think the US might be steady working to get a bomb soonest? Oh, hell yeah! Do you think the US would sit ideally by and not do all it could to assist Canada and Mexico so that the Muslim empire might be stopped while it was at the front and back doors of the US?


Try addressing what I wrote.

This is just one nugget of many......


Iran has made it "our" business.....US forces and the current administration would be negligent of they did not take this seriously ..

.


On Wednesday the Iranian ambassador to Moscow, Seyed Mahmoud-Reza Sajjadi declared that Iran has the capabilities to carry out military strikes on US interests around the globe.

This comes after President Obama announced the United States would freeze all Iranian assets held in the US. The executive order which was signed on Monday was in reaction to what the US is calling deceptive practices by Iran

Iran threatens to hit US targets worldwide
 
This is just one nugget of many......


Iran has made it "our" business.....US forces and the current administration would be negligent of they did not take this seriously ..

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Iran threatens to hit US targets worldwide
When multiple countries are threatening to blow you off the face of the map, you play the only cards you have, which in the case of Iran, is the possible disruption in oil supply and guerilla warfare against our "interests" abroad. It's simply a defense mechanism, saber rattling, whatever you would like to label it as, they are acting in terms of self preservation.
 
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