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Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

I should have added you have to obey the laws of the land...........

And currently we are trying to change "the laws of the land" so that people have more freedoms. In fact, the change we want wouldn't even take freedoms away from anyone else.
 
Well you see that is one of the major problems because if gays get to marry in a civil ceremony the next thing they will be fighting for is to be married in a church. Remember my left wing friend its a step by step process to get gays accepted as a suitable alternative life style...........You give and inch they want a mile.

Homosexuals have churches they can attend already. They don't need to intrude on churches that won't accept them.

And no one in this country has a right to force a church to accept them as a member, nor do they have a right to force a religious rep from marrying them.
 
Well you see that is one of the major problems because if gays get to marry in a civil ceremony the next thing they will be fighting for is to be married in a church. Remember my left wing friend its a step by step process to get gays accepted as a suitable alternative life style...........You give and inch they want a mile.

I'm pretty much guessing if you had your way, you would make homosexuality illegal and punishable by either life in prison or death.
 
The only church book I care about is the Holy Bible.

Okay, but there are others out there and you have no right to make others obey the rules in the Bible. Not only that, some interpret the Bible differently than you do and you also have no right to force them to live by your interpretation of the Bible.
 
It depends who you talk to my friend says the militant minority and the "Feel Good" libs are messing it up for everyone else.

If this were true, then those bans on same sex marriage in most states would not also include a ban on any legal union between same sex couples, as most such bans do.

Most of those who want to ban same sex marriage don't want any form of legal union for same sex couples. Some claim they do probably just to make themselves feel better or to tell themselves that they are for freedom and equality, but their vote says differently.
 
You say but I say you can't compare a race and a class of people.............the race are born that way. they can't change.......a class of people can change and they do it all the time......that is the difference

When it comes to the law, they compare all types of people.

So those who are attracted to people of a different race than themselves were born that way? Prove it.
 
let me make it simple for you.................and innocent baby in the womb committed no crime.....It just wants to live like you do.............someone rapes and murders my wife or daughter is a whole new ball game and I will pull the switch on them.............I hope you can see the difference in the two but I doubt very seriously if you will.............You have all the compassion in the world for a vicious rapist or murderer and none for the innocent defenseless baby in the womb. Think about it my left wing friend over 42,000,000 butchers in the womb since 1972.

And none of this has anything to do with same sex marriage because you wrongly grouped everyone who is on a certain side of one issue with everyone on a certain side of another issue.
 
What was it? you have to bear with me I am dealing with about ten of you left wingers at the same time..........What a joke someone said this forum was broken down 55-45 with Conservatives with the 55.....yeah right.

The problem is that you think all conservatives agree with you on every issue and that anyone who doesn't agree with you on any issue is liberal.
 
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When it comes to the law, they compare all types of people.

So those who are attracted to people of a different race than themselves were born that way? Prove it.

Let me understand. You are saying that blacks are not a race?:confused:
 
The problem is that you think all conservatives agree with you on every issue and that anyone who doesn't agree with you on any issue is liberal.

No not at all just as all liberals that don't agree with you are conservatives.....This is only one issue and the huge majority of conservatives, not all, are not proponents if gay marriage.
 
And none of this has anything to do with same sex marriage because you wrongly grouped everyone who is on a certain side of one issue with everyone on a certain side of another issue.

I did not bring it up, one of your left wing friends did questioning my belief about the death penalty. I just answered him.
 
Okay, but there are others out there and you have no right to make others obey the rules in the Bible. Not only that, some interpret the Bible differently than you do and you also have no right to force them to live by your interpretation of the Bible.

If you don't agree with the law take it to a referendum, if you win I will accept it......Unfortunately if I win you on th left won't accept it again I say you call us the intolerant ones........what a joke.
 
If you follow the entire exchange, one dolt on his high horse claimed that nobody could logically explain why we don’t allow SSM.

I pointed out that nobody is requiring a logical explanation for any of the perks we grant.

We give education perks to people with good grades, but I fail to see the logical benefit of giving educational assistance to elderly people.


And the problem here is that the limitations being put on marriage do not logically run with the "we give marriage benefits to those who can produce children" because we allow opposite sex couples who cannot produce children to marry. In fact, some states do not allow certain opposite sex couples who can produce children to legally marry.
 
I'm pretty much guessing if you had your way, you would make homosexuality illegal and punishable by either life in prison or death.

I wish no one sinned in the homosexual act just as I do straight in illicit sex but what they do is not against the law its just a mortal sin and even if allowed to marry that will never change in the eyes of the church..
 
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If you don't agree with the law take it to a referendum, if you win I will accept it......Unfortunately if I win you on th left won't accept it again I say you call us the intolerant ones........what a joke.

Or the SCOTUS, which is a much faster way of getting the job done and since laws that discriminate based on sex for no other reason than to keep certain undesirable couples from entering into a relationship go against the 14th Amendment, then it is their place to rule such laws unconstitutional.
 
so the GOP are against big gov but yet they want the government to impose bans on American citizens right to marry....messed up world
 
I did not bring it up, one of your left wing friends did questioning my belief about the death penalty. I just answered him.

You keep saying things that indicate that you believe that everyone who thinks same sex marriage should be legalized is automatically "left wing". This is just not true. They simply side with the "left" on this issue.
 
No not at all just as all liberals that don't agree with you are conservatives.....This is only one issue and the huge majority of conservatives, not all, are not proponents if gay marriage.


And again, you are making a comment that suggests that you believe that I am liberal, yet this is not true. I have many beliefs that fall on the side of conservatives, this is just one that I happen to be highly liberal about.
 
And currently we are trying to change "the laws of the land" so that people have more freedoms. In fact, the change we want wouldn't even take freedoms away from anyone else.


Like I said go for it. Vote on it like we do everything else.


(wow 30,000 posts took me 7 years to get there):)
 
And again, you are making a comment that suggests that you believe that I am liberal, yet this is not true. I have many beliefs that fall on the side of conservatives, this is just one that I happen to be highly liberal about.

You are really picking at tecnicalities now
 
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Let me understand. You are saying that blacks are not a race?:confused:

I am saying that interracial marriage was decided based on race, not the fact that the people allowed to marry were actually attracted to someone of a different race, which is what the people had a problem with. This is why same sex marriage should be decided on the basis of sex, not the fact that the people being allowed to marry are attracted to someone of the same sex, which is what people have a problem with.
 
Like I said go for it. Vote on it like we do everything else.


(wow 30,000 posts took me 7 years to get there):)

I'd rather go the faster way, and have the SCOTUS handle it. However, don't worry, I will vote for it whenever I can as well.
 
And the problem here is that the limitations being put on marriage do not logically run with the "we give marriage benefits to those who can produce children" because we allow opposite sex couples who cannot produce children to marry. In fact, some states do not allow certain opposite sex couples who can produce children to legally marry.

again, applying logic to limitations is inconsistent. We don't have to prove that actions the government takes is logical, and often times it clearly isn't logical.
 
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