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Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

Good for you, I think most people would want sttaight children though...Most would like to be a grandpa or grandma some day. I can tell you I love being one.

You can be a grandparent if you have gay children. Not only are there likely more children to give you grandchildren, gays can adopt (although it should be easier) or use other methods to have children.

Besides, what would be the difference if you had infertile children or one of them fell in love with someone who could not have children? What if your kid/kids didn't want children? After all, it is their decision if you get grandchildren, not yours.
 
Oh, I know. I'm just pointing out that it's still possible to be a grandma or grandpa in those situations.

Its kind of neat that my grandchildrenen have my blood and will pass it on to their children and grandchildren.Theoretically I could live forever.
 
individuals have rights. we are talking about perks granted to groups of people.

Yes, including the right to enter into a contract that makes another adult a person's closest legal relative. The perks are given by society but can be change. Marriage itself is a contract between two people. The sex of the two involved should not be a limiting factor since sex in no way limits a person's ability to live up to the legal marriage contract.
 
You can be a grandparent if you have gay children. Not only are there likely more children to give you grandchildren, gays can adopt (although it should be easier) or use other methods to have children.

Besides, what would be the difference if you had infertile children or one of them fell in love with someone who could not have children? What if your kid/kids didn't want children? After all, it is their decision if you get grandchildren, not yours.

I believe Redress warned us about this line of conversation so I will let it go. You already know how I feel.
 
Marriage is not a right. Why do you think you have to have a license?

Because people have always felt that they needed to limit marriage to only certain people. While having a marriage license does help the government keep track of who is married and helps keep people from getting scammed or the government from getting scammed, it should not be used to limit people who are legitimately trying to enter into the contract and who could otherwise do so if not for their relative sexes.
 
Its kind of neat that my grandchildrenen have my blood and will pass it on to their children and grandchildren.Theoretically I could live forever.

Grandchildren from gay sons/daughters could still have the same amount of your blood as those from straight sons/daughters.
 
Where does it say that and please don't give me the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.....

Well you see the 14th Amendment....

Just kidding.

Then what gives the ability for people to marry in the first place? If it's not a right, then I should be able to dismiss and marriage as I see fit.
 
How is CNN for a source: America becoming less Christian, survey finds - CNN

Seriously NP, when you just make **** up, you ruin your point.


At one point it was that high....Not a big believer of what comes out of CNN. like polling a lot of dems in polls they probably would do the same for God fearing people. Its really funny if I quote FOX News for a link you people on the left jump all over me but you can quote one of the most bias sources there are in CNN. We on the right don't call it the Communist News Network for nothing.........
 
Well you see the 14th Amendment....

Just kidding.

Then what gives the ability for people to marry in the first place? If it's not a right, then I should be able to dismiss and marriage as I see fit.

I think in the natural order of things the Gov. feels marriage is a good thing for people to enter in to. It gives chidren security and it probably helps to keep couples from splitting.
 
Grandchildren from gay sons/daughters could still have the same amount of your blood as those from straight sons/daughters.

That is a real scoop for me......How do gay men get pregnant?
 
At one point it was that high....Not a big believer of what comes out of CNN. like polling a lot of dems in polls they probably would do the same for God fearing people. Its really funny if I quote FOX News for a link you people on the left jump all over me but you can quote one of the most bias sources there are in CNN. We on the right don't call it the Communist News Network for nothing.........

Navy, you have not quoted any source for your claim. Not one. That makes it worthless.
 
Where does it say that and please don't give me the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.....

The SCOTUS ruled marriage a right in the Loving v Virginia case.
 
That is a real scoop for me......How do gay men get pregnant?

How do straight men get pregnant?

Oh, that's right, they don't. Because men don't get pregnant.

But just as if the wife in an opposite sex marriage couldn't have children but the couple still wanted one of their genes to go to a baby, the couple can enlist a surrogate who will carry the baby for them. Usually, the child has the genes of the man and a donated egg. I've actually looked into doing this for gay or straight couples that want children.
 
Sorry, I meant the Right to Marry.

Another personal attack from you...You just can't help yourself can you. I have been a member here since 2005 and have one person on ignore..........Pretty good record.............Congratulations you are number 2..........Maybe you can debate with yourself............Have a great life..............
 
Another personal attack from you...You just can't help yourself can you. I have been a member here since 2005 and have one person on ignore..........Pretty good record.............Congratulations you are number 2..........Maybe you can debate with yourself............Have a great life..............


Uh, how did that quote attack you?
 
Another personal attack from you...You just can't help yourself can you. I have been a member here since 2005 and have one person on ignore..........Pretty good record.............Congratulations you are number 2..........Maybe you can debate with yourself............Have a great life..............

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How do straight men get pregnant?

Oh, that's right, they don't. Because men don't get pregnant.

But just as if the wife in an opposite sex marriage couldn't have children but the couple still wanted one of their genes to go to a baby, the couple can enlist a surrogate who will carry the baby for them. Usually, the child has the genes of the man and a donated egg. I've actually looked into doing this for gay or straight couples that want children.


No offense but I had rather be the old fashion way to have children......That is just me though.....whatever floats your boat.
 
No offense but I had rather be the old fashion way to have children......That is just me though.....whatever floats your boat.

My brother is happy that the old fashioned way is not the only way. His GF is pregnant for their second now, even though she was not supposed to be able to have kids. Ain't medicine great?
 
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I wanted to let him/her was history as far as I am concerned....
 
My brother is happy that the old fashioned way is not the only way. His GF is pregnant for their second now, even though she was not supposed to be able to have kids. Ain't medicine great?


Yes it is. I am a big fan of that when its the only way a man and a woman can have a child.

I enjoyed making mine.......:2wave:
 
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No offense but I had rather be the old fashion way to have children......That is just me though.....whatever floats your boat.

So. Not every couple can have children. Would you feel the same way if it were a son and his wife who couldn't have the children and they wanted to use this method?
 
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