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Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

Navy Pride said:
Unlike you I don't believe its really about gay marriage. there is a much bigger issue here and I think you know it...........

as far as AIDS go at one time it was a gay mans disease and they are still the most prominent people that catch it.........But its true that it has been passed to the straight community.
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Im curious what bigger issue there is or what bigger issue you think there is here.

Also AIDS never has been a gay mans disease when you look at the AIDS globally. In almost every part of the world AIDS has affected straight people more then gay people no matter the time period.
 
roguenuke said:
Do you really think that every black church out there would be willing to accept an interracial couple? I bet you there are pastors of both black and white churches in this country that wouldn't even wed an interracial couple, just as they wouldn't a same sex couple.

Not that it matters since no church gets to decide this issue. This issue should be inline with the Constitution, and the Constitution says that states cannot discriminate based on sex, just as they cannot discriminate based on race.

Oh, and Mrs. Loving, of Loving v. VA, has stated that she completely believes that it is the same thing. And she is black, her husband was white.

Also, my husband has a bigger issue with gays in the military than he does with same sex marriage. He's told me that same sex relationships make him uncomfortable, but that it doesn't matter since legal marriage is a contract and none of his business. Neither him nor I are religious, so there are no religious objections to same sex marriage at all. And we were both raised in the South, him in VA, and me in NC.
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Come on the constitution does not say **** about marriage and you know it.................You on the left have taken out of context the 14th amendment and you know it..........The originators were not thinking about gay marriage when they drafted it..........
 
Navy Pride said:
Well all I can say is not in our lifetime and if and when it happens that should be about the time that God in heaven has seen enough of this debachery and decay and end it all. I personally believe that time is not far off as you Liberals think.

Unlike you I don't believe its really about gay marriage. there is a much bigger issue here and I think you know it...........

as far as AIDS go at one time it was a gay mans disease and they are still the most prominent people that catch it.........But its true that it has been passed to the straight community.
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I find this post sad. You are just not open to a new way of thinking and will die a bitter old man:(
 
Omgitsme said:
Im curious what bigger issue there is or what bigger issue you think there is here.

Also AIDS never has been a gay mans disease when you look at the AIDS globally. In almost every part of the world AIDS has affected straight people more then gay people no matter the time period.
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How many times do I have to explain this to you........when AIDS first started in the eighties it was in the Gay community..........No one else except for some drug users was catching the disease then.............You really need to read the thread sometime, this has been hashed out over and over again

The bigger issue has been explained to.... you need to read a little OK
 
Navy Pride said:
Well all I can say is not in our lifetime
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You can't really say that at all. It could happen at any time.

and if and when it happens that should be about the time that God in heaven has seen enough of this debachery and decay and end it all. I personally believe that time is not far off as you Liberals think.
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I'm not worried.

Unlike you I don't believe its really about gay marriage. there is a much bigger issue here and I think you know it...........
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Uh...what issue would that be?

as far as AIDS go at one time it was a gay mans disease and they are still the most prominent people that catch it.........But its true that it has been passed to the straight community.
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Navy, you can try all you want to defend your ridiculous position, but the fact of the matter is that it has no basis in fact. It's an old theory from the 80's when people had very little understanding of homosexuals.
 
Kali said:
I find this post sad. You are just not open to a new way of thinking and will die a bitter old man:(
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Listen I have 4 kids 8 grandkids and am having the best days of my life....Because I don't want the definition of the sacrament of holy matrimony which God set down changed for a class of people who are defined by their sexual orientation will never make me feel bad.........Now if God forbid that ever happens I might die a bitter old man but I believe God will take care of that on judment day for the perversion and decay.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
You can't really say that at all. It could happen at any time.



I'm not worried.





Uh...what issue would that be?



Navy, you can try all you want to defend your ridiculous position, but the fact of the matter is that it has no basis in fact. It's an old theory from the 80's when people had very little understanding of homosexuals.
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1. More and more states or banning gay marriage.

2. You better be.

3. take the time to read the thread. you might find out its all there.

4. horse**** AIDS was originally 99% a gay mans disease. Its not any more but the most prevalent people to get AIDS today are gay men that partake in anal sex.............
 
What really bugs me more then anything else is the money the gov. gives for AIDS research..Breast Cancer it much more prevelent then AIDS and thousand of women die from it each year much more then AIDS gets 10 times the money that goes for breast cancer research...

The sad part is the people that catch AIDS are participating in high risk sex where the poor women that die of breast cancer are not doing anything wrong.........
 
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Navy Pride said:
Listen I have 4 kids 8 grandkids and am having the best days of my life....Because I don't want the definition of the sacrament of holy matrimony which God set down changed for a class of people who are defined by their sexual orientation will never make me feel bad.........Now if God forbid that ever happens I might die a bitter old man but I believe God will take care of that on judment day for the perversion and decay.
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Will you accept your grands if some of them are gay? The stats are probably that one of em may be gay.
 
Navy Pride said:
Come on the constitution does not say **** about marriage and you know it.................You on the left have taken out of context the 14th amendment and you know it..........The originators were not thinking about gay marriage when they drafted it..........
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I don't have to take anything out of context. The 14th states that the states cannot discriminate against people equally situated without good reasons, even if they have the majority vote of the population. SSM bans are bans that discriminate based on the sex of individuals trying to enter into a legal contract.

You can deny all you want but eventually the SCOTUS is going to rule that same sex marriages must be allowed because marriage is a legal contract and it is discrimination to not allow 2 people of the same sex to enter into the contract just because of their sexes being the same.
 
Navy Pride said:
I have been married to and Asian woman for 46 years and it is no way the same as SSM. So far you have picked up very liberal blue states for your SSM you will never do that in the fly over red states and the states in the south. Not in a million years......sorry
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It is mostly in the south where you would find people who disapprove of interracial marriage. You can deny all you want, but I know people who find interracial relationships disgusting. More than many would like to know. Some I am related to. And I know some of them would not mind at all making interracial relationships illegal again. It is the same thing, no matter how much you wish to deny it.

It will be in my lifetime, likely in the next decade, that same sex marriage will become legal throughout the US. I have no doubt. My generation, which are in their 30s, are much more accepting of same sex relationships. And the generations after mine are even more okay with same sex marriage.
 
Navy Pride said:
How many times do I have to explain this to you........when AIDS first started in the eighties it was in the Gay community..........No one else except for some drug users was catching the disease then.............You really need to read the thread sometime, this has been hashed out over and over again

The bigger issue has been explained to.... you need to read a little OK
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Ummm you are the one who needs to read. If you look at the AIDS epidemic globally straight people were the ones who were spreading it. Keyword there is globally.
 
ARealConservative said:
Maybe the logic escapes you.

If individuals of a government want to give perks to people that get good grades, nobody complains. Where has it been proven that getting good grades is in the best interest of the state? Do we need proof?

Yet if the same residents try to give perks to the type of stable union that can physically produce kids, we are told that is not allowed.
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I think the logic escapes you. Your post has zero to do with what I am talking about.
 
Zyphlin said:
And you or I can use our moral convictions to decide who we vote for, or how we vote on ballot initiatives and similarly he can use his moral convictions to decide how he legislates.

There is no requirement what so ever that one can not allow their moral views influence how they choose to participate in government.
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There is a difference between you or I voting based on our convictions. We are not a paid government representative. We elect those representatives based on each of our belief systems.

And I didn't say it was a requirement. I'm saying that this is not representing the people and the people's positions.

The people he's paid by elected him in to represent them to the best of his ability. What consistutes the best of his ability is HIS JUDGEMENT. If the people don't like it, then they have a chance to vote him out later....no different then they'd have if he did exactly what the polls told him "the people" wanted and then they still voted him out.

It is no less legitimate to ignore polls and what they say the "people want" then it is to follow them strictly. Representitives in government are elected to do the job to the best of their ability and to represent the people to the best of their ability...they are not elected, and there is zero requirement that they act in such a way, to do exactly what polls say the people want.
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I disagree. If the people overwhelmingly support a particular position, a representative not assisting to legislate that position because his personal view oppose it, is not representing the people.
 
digsbe said:
It seems the reason Christie vetoes this is because he wants the state as a whole to vote on a referendum. This is the correct course of action and I support his decision to veto in this case.
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I would agree with this EXCEPT for the fact that Christie has indicated that he is pretty sure that it will pass. By NOT signing the bill, he is saying "screw you" to the people he is paid to represent... because he wants to.
 
Taylor said:
Of course, I wasn’t referring to that sentence, I was referring to this one. Apparently, you’ve said it "dozens of times" to one poster alone:


I’m happy that you’ve now recanted. We’re already making progress.

Now, it’s also true that "Not every time a man has sex with another man will they get AIDS. It does, however, significantly increase their chances, and it is more likely than if they do NOT engage in sex with men." [That is, if instead they only engage in sex with women.]

This is largely true for the simple reason that there is a much higher incidence of HIV in the population of "men who have sex with men." The odds are higher that the person you're having sex with is infected. Men who have sex with other men need to be especially cautious, because they're in a high risk group.
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Dangerous sexual behavior increases the risk of the spread of AIDS regardless of sexual orientation. I'm not sure how much clearer I can be. If you have unprotected sex, you put yourself at risk.

And as far as my comment above, the spread of AIDS IS caused by dangerous sexual practices or IV drug abuse. That does not mean that EVERY time someone practices dangerous sex they will get AIDS, but it DOES mean that NOT engaging in these practices will not cause the disease to spread.
 
Navy Pride said:
1. More and more states or banning gay marriage.
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So what? Like I said earlier, society can't help but progress. Even if all states ban gay marriage, the issue won't go away.

2. You better be.
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The problem with your premise is that it relies on 3 pretty big presumptions.

1. That God exists. I'm not going to spark a whole religious debate, but suffice it to say that you can't prove God's existence anymore than I can disprove it.

2. That the Bible is 100% the word of God.

3. That your interpretation of the verses that many consider to address homosexuality are right.

That being said, I'm more than comfortable not worrying about those being true. I'm not going to change my viewpoints on certain issues out of fear that your God will punish me for feeling this way.

3. take the time to read the thread. you might find out its all there.
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Cut the coy bull****, Navy. You pointed out that there was an underlying issue to all of this, and I'm asking you directly what it is. If you can't answer the question, don't. But don't tell me to read through the thread again to find this mysterious underlying issue that you seem to believe exists. If you are going to bring it up, then discuss it and cut out the childish nonsense.

4. horse**** AIDS was originally 99% a gay mans disease. Its not any more but the most prevalent people to get AIDS today are gay men that partake in anal sex.............
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You don't have to restate your absurd beliefs. You are more than welcome to believe that crap if you want.
 
Navy Pride said:
You lose every time DD. you have never even been close except in California. Your backing a losing issue and pretty soon it will be 50 states against gay marriage when the activists are over ruled............Legal Gay marriage might be the last thing that God needs to destroy the world and bring judgment on you DD. Be afraid, be very afraid.
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Considering that I have been faithfully married for 22 years. Have never committed adultrey by sleeping with a married woman while her husband was away on duty. Have not spents months frequenting whorehouses in my "youth". I have no fear of God's judgment. Can you say the same?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I think the logic escapes you. Your post has zero to do with what I am talking about.
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disagree.

on top of your ivory soap box you thumb your nose down on those that disagree, but I'm pointing out that your disagreement is shallow and inconsistent.
 
Navy Pride said:
Listen I have 4 kids 8 grandkids and am having the best days of my life....Because I don't want the definition of the sacrament of holy matrimony which God set down changed for a class of people who are defined by their sexual orientation will never make me feel bad.........Now if God forbid that ever happens I might die a bitter old man but I believe God will take care of that on judment day for the perversion and decay.
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So how would you react if one of them came out of the closet?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I'm saying that this is not representing the people and the people's positions.

If the people overwhelmingly support a particular position, a representative not assisting to legislate that position because his personal view oppose it, is not representing the people.
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And I disagree. I believe when you vote for someone to represent you you're voting them into the position to legislate and vote based on what they think is the best course of action. At times that may be counter to what you personally believe. However, I absolutely believe that a person can vote agains twhat hte public supposedly wants and still be "representing the people" because he's doing what he was elected to do....vote on what he thinks the best option is. If we were simply voting for the person who would agree with the public on everything we'd not need to vote for representitives, we'd just have laws passed based on opinion polls.
 
I will say this for Christie: he has been consistent in his position. He said quite clearly when he was running that he was opposed to gay marriage, and he was elected. I can't fault him for being consistent ... though I can fault him for being a bigot.

By the same token, many conservatives attack Obama for signing health care reform into law when a majority opposed it. But he ran on a platform of health care reform, so I don't think conservatives can attack him for subverting the will of the people either. Doesn't mean they have to agree with the policy, but....
 
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Kali said:
Will you accept your grands if some of them are gay? The stats are probably that one of em may be gay.
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Never would happen. Did not bring them up that way..........Environment has a lot to do with it.........
 
Omgitsme said:
Ummm you are the one who needs to read. If you look at the AIDS epidemic globally straight people were the ones who were spreading it. Keyword there is globally.
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I am not talking about globally I am talking about the USA.
 
Navy Pride said:
Never would happen. Did not bring them up that way..........Environment has a lot to do with it.........
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I don't believe this is true.

my mom was one of 13 kids. Her identical twin sister was (died a few years ago) a lesbian. They were typical twins - inseparable - so they were brought up in an identical environment
 
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