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Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

roguenuke said:
As YS said, society, for the most part, could care less if two guys or two girls are kissing or hugging in public. Most people are perfectly fine with turning away if they find it disturbing.

Plus, do you think society was ready to see interracial couples kissing and hugging and holding hands in public in 1968 when interracial marriage had to be allowed? Over 70% of the population disapproved and most of those thought interracial relationships were an "abomination". There are still a good portion of the populations today who consider interracial relationships to be wrong or disgusting or disturbing.
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Two women yes two guys no way. I am not going to go into the interracial thing again we been there a thousand times and to compare a man and a woman to two gays its ludicrous.
 
Zyphlin said:
I would say "society" in different places absolutely are and in other places aren't. In the middle of San Francisco or even somewhere like New York? Yeah, "society" is probably fine with it to certain degree's. In rural alabama or even a small city in Virginia? Possibly not. "Society" isn't uniform over the entire U.S. Similarly, there's rural places I know where two people...ANY two people...having a deep embrace would be "flaunting sexuality" in those peoples eyes. Does that mean, since its like that in one part of society, no two straight people can have a deep embrace in public in any location in the U.S.?
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I think straight flaunting there sexuality is wrong to but it is accepted.........I would not like to see gay men kissing it is repulsive to and to most people and in a lot of places in this country it could put the 2 gay men doing it in harms way. even with DADT repealed you do not see gay male sailors kissing and holding hands........There is a reason for that.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
I'm sorry, Navy, but who are you to speak for society? Gay couples are openly affectionate in public all the time. If some people can't handle that...oh well. Two people shouldn't have to refrain from showing public affection simply because a handful of people can't handle it.
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In the Peoples Republic of SF and Seattle maybe but I would say in no red states and most other blue states is it being done. I have seen women holding hands but I have never seen 2 men kissing and making out in public..........sorry
 
Boy let me tell you the left out here in Washington really fear Santorum... The are very few commercials against Romney but tons of them against Santorum.............


Go get em Rick!!!!!
 
Your Star said:
Actually, the majority of society doesn't care, and even if they did, it doesn't mean that the double standard would be right. It doesn't matter what you are ready to see or not.
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When it comes to 2 men how wrong you are.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Perhaps YOU might want to pay attention to details. Here is EXACTLY what I said: "The spread is about the dangerous behavior." I do not see the word "cause" in this sentence. Not every time someone participates in dangerous sexual behavior will they get AIDS. It does, however significantly increase their chances, and it is more likely than if they do NOT engage in dangerous sexual behavior.
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Of course, I wasn’t referring to that sentence, I was referring to this one. Apparently, you’ve said it "dozens of times" to one poster alone:

CaptainCourtesy said:
NP... I've said this to you dozens of times. The spread of AIDS is caused by dangerous sexual practices or IV drug abuse.
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I’m happy that you’ve now recanted. We’re already making progress.

Now, it’s also true that "Not every time a man has sex with another man will they get AIDS. It does, however, significantly increase their chances, and it is more likely than if they do NOT engage in sex with men." [That is, if instead they only engage in sex with women.]

This is largely true for the simple reason that there is a much higher incidence of HIV in the population of "men who have sex with men." The odds are higher that the person you're having sex with is infected. Men who have sex with other men need to be especially cautious, because they're in a high risk group.
 
Navy Pride said:
Civil liberties are involved. Boy do we go around and around on this one. Gays have the same Civil Liberties I do. They want special Liberties as polygamysts and many other classes of people.
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So I ask again. When do we get to put inter-racial marriage to a popular vote?

When do we get to vote on your marriage navy?
 
Navy Pride said:
Boy let me tell you the left out here in Washington really fear Santorum... The are very few commercials against Romney but tons of them against Santorum.............


Go get em Rick!!!!!
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I hate to break it to you Navy....but it isn't the left running those ads. This is one issue that the left and the wacko right have in common. We are both rooting for the GOP to take out Romney.......

Go Rick!
 
Navy Pride said:
Two women yes two guys no way. I am not going to go into the interracial thing again we been there a thousand times and to compare a man and a woman to two gays its ludicrous.
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On the contrary, most people may not care to see it, but it really wouldn't be much worse than watching some old ugly dude kiss a really hot, young girl.

And I'm pretty sure many of those who consider interracial relationships to be immoral and/or disturbing would not agree with you that it is a ludicrous comparison. There are still people today who are very uncomfortable with interracial relationships and would ban them in a heartbeat if given half a chance.

What you find disturbing or not are not necessarily the same things others do or don't find disturbing.
 
roguenuke said:
On the contrary, most people may not care to see it, but it really wouldn't be much worse than watching some old ugly dude kiss a really hot, young girl.

And I'm pretty sure many of those who consider interracial relationships to be immoral and/or disturbing would not agree with you that it is a ludicrous comparison. There are still people today who are very uncomfortable with interracial relationships and would ban them in a heartbeat if given half a chance.

What you find disturbing or not are not necessarily the same things others do or don't find disturbing.
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But you come up with some strange example...........If the young girl was of age and kissing the old ugly dude volunteerily I probably would not care to see it, but it would not bother me at all

I wish you could take a couple of days off and head to a black church and ask them what they think of gay marriage since you always play the race card.

Your not a man and you don't know how men feel about the issue and your husband can't tell you.............
 
disneydude said:
So I ask again. When do we get to put inter-racial marriage to a popular vote?

When do we get to vote on your marriage navy?
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Always playing the race card when it has nothing to do with the issue

Go for it...start a referendum and vote on it......you will lose as you always do when the good people of this country speak........
 
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Navy Pride said:
Always playing the race card when it has nothing to do with the issue

Go for it...start a referendum and vote on it......you will lose as you always do when the good people of this country speak........
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That isnt playing the race card. Its called a parallel.
 
disneydude said:
I hate to break it to you Navy....but it isn't the left running those ads. This is one issue that the left and the wacko right have in common. We are both rooting for the GOP to take out Romney.......

Go Rick!
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You are so clueless my left wing friend...........are media matters and moveon.org far enough left for you? They are taking credit for the ads against Santorum............You really need to get a ****ing clue.
 
Navy Pride said:
Always playing the race card when it has nothing to do with the issue

Go for it...start a referendum and vote on it......you will lose as you always do when the good people of this country speak........
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The Good people of this country are turning more and more against you on this issue Navy. Gay Marriage is now favored by the majority in this country. Its just a matter of time my friend. You will live to see the day that gay marriage is allowed throughout this country and America will take another step forward on being a truly free and just country. The old bigoted crowd is dying out. They will never go away completely, but there are fewer and fewer of them each and every day.
 
Navy Pride said:
You are so clueless my left wing friend...........are media matters and moveon.org far enough left for you? They are taking credit for the ads against Santorum............You really need to get a ****ing clue.
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Sorry Navy.....I ain't buying your rhetoric. The left isn't running ads against Santorum. We WANT Santorum to get the nomination. That would secure another 4 year Obama term.
 
disneydude said:
The Good people of this country are turning more and more against you on this issue Navy. Gay Marriage is now favored by the majority in this country. Its just a matter of time my friend. You will live to see the day that gay marriage is allowed throughout this country and America will take another step forward on being a truly free and just country. The old bigoted crowd is dying out. They will never go away completely, but there are fewer and fewer of them each and every day.
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How many states have voted for gay marriage 0

How many states have voted against gay marriage 32

How many states have approved gay marriage through activists liberals 7

How many will be overturned when the SCOTUS voids those marriages 7

You lose every time DD get use to it.
 
Navy Pride said:
How many states have voted for gay marriage 0

How many states have voted against gay marriage 32

How many states have approved gay marriage through activists liberals 7

How many will be overturned when the SCOTUS voids those marriages 7

You lose every time DD get use to it.
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Once again cherry picking and grasping onto that last straw....Navy....you know as well as I do that you are losing the war. Why are the social conservatives freaking out so much. They are trying to stop the inevitable. The bottom line is that even 5 years ago, Gay marriage was disapproved of by double digits. This year, the pendulum shifted and now more people favor gay marriage than oppose it. The numbers continue to grow and people such as yourself are dying off. I hope and pray that you live for a few more years as gay marriage bans continue to fall across this country. You deserve to see a free and equal America Navy....and you will see it in the very very near future. Its inevitable.
 
disneydude said:
Once again cherry picking and grasping onto that last straw....Navy....you know as well as I do that you are losing the war. Why are the social conservatives freaking out so much. They are trying to stop the inevitable. The bottom line is that even 5 years ago, Gay marriage was disapproved of by double digits. This year, the pendulum shifted and now more people favor gay marriage than oppose it. The numbers continue to grow and people such as yourself are dying off. I hope and pray that you live for a few more years as gay marriage bans continue to fall across this country. You deserve to see a free and equal America Navy....and you will see it in the very very near future. Its inevitable.
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You lose every time DD. you have never even been close except in California. Your backing a losing issue and pretty soon it will be 50 states against gay marriage when the activists are over ruled............Legal Gay marriage might be the last thing that God needs to destroy the world and bring judgment on you DD. Be afraid, be very afraid.
 
Navy Pride said:
How many states have voted for gay marriage 0

How many states have voted against gay marriage 32

How many states have approved gay marriage through activists liberals 7

How many will be overturned when the SCOTUS voids those marriages 7

You lose every time DD get use to it.
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The problem with your logic, Navy, is that society can't help but progress. Times are changing. The stigma surrounding gay marriage will eventually be a thing of the past. Interracial marriage is a worthy parallel because people had a lot of the same arguments against interracial marriage that they do against gay marriage. No, this isn't pulling the race card, nor is it an attempt to lessen the struggles of African Americans in this country. I'm simply pointing out the similarities in the arguments created by the opponents of these issues. Interracial marriage is now legal and the world didn't implode like many thought it would. The same will be said of gay marriage when (not if) it is legal.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
The problem with your logic, Navy, is that society can't help but progress. Times are changing. The stigma surrounding gay marriage will eventually be a thing of the past. Interracial marriage is a worthy parallel because people had a lot of the same arguments against interracial marriage that they do against gay marriage. No, this isn't pulling the race card, nor is it an attempt to lessen the struggles of African Americans in this country. I'm simply pointing out the similarities in the arguments created by the opponents of these issues. Interracial marriage is now legal and the world didn't implode like many thought it would. The same will be said of gay marriage when (not if) it is legal.
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You and I have a very big difference in the definition of progress my left wing friend.........The African American thingy just does not apply because its a man and a woman just of different races. Whether you like it or not gays are a class of people defined by their sexual orientation.....No matter how you cut it not the same thing.
 
Navy Pride said:
You and I have a very big difference in the definition of progress my left wing friend.........The African American thingy just does not apply because its a man and a woman just of different races. Whether you like it or not gays are a class of people defined by their sexual orientation.....No matter how you cut it not the same thing.
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I don't know how much clearer I can explain it to you. As I stated before, I'm not comparing the races or the issues themselves. I'm showing the parallels between the words said by the opponents. People said very similar things in opposition of interracial marriage. It's a fact. And yes, we obviously do have a different definition of progress. Let's pretend for a second that you are right and that all 50 states are going to go against gay marriage and even have state constitutional amendments against it. Do you really think that will be the end of the issue? People for gay marriage aren't going to stop until it is legal, which it eventually will be. Regardless of what you think, we've come a very long way since the 80's regarding homosexuality. Back then people actually thought that AIDS was purely a gay disease (I'm not rehashing this argument. I realize that in your opinion it is.) A lot of things changed in the 90's. The stigma that was attached to being gay started to melt away. Now gay marriage is a hot button topic, where it wasn't even a thought back in the 80's. You can deem it whatever you want, but I call that progress. It will continue to roll forward and eventually gay marriage will be legal. There isn't a shadow of doubt in my mind that this will eventually be a reality, so you can post all of the numbers you want.
 
Navy Pride said:
But you come up with some strange example...........If the young girl was of age and kissing the old ugly dude volunteerily I probably would not care to see it, but it would not bother me at all

I wish you could take a couple of days off and head to a black church and ask them what they think of gay marriage since you always play the race card.

Your not a man and you don't know how men feel about the issue and your husband can't tell you.............
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Do you really think that every black church out there would be willing to accept an interracial couple? I bet you there are pastors of both black and white churches in this country that wouldn't even wed an interracial couple, just as they wouldn't a same sex couple.

Not that it matters since no church gets to decide this issue. This issue should be inline with the Constitution, and the Constitution says that states cannot discriminate based on sex, just as they cannot discriminate based on race.

Oh, and Mrs. Loving, of Loving v. VA, has stated that she completely believes that it is the same thing. And she is black, her husband was white.

Also, my husband has a bigger issue with gays in the military than he does with same sex marriage. He's told me that same sex relationships make him uncomfortable, but that it doesn't matter since legal marriage is a contract and none of his business. Neither him nor I are religious, so there are no religious objections to same sex marriage at all. And we were both raised in the South, him in VA, and me in NC.
 
Navy Pride said:
You and I have a very big difference in the definition of progress my left wing friend.........The African American thingy just does not apply because its a man and a woman just of different races. Whether you like it or not gays are a class of people defined by their sexual orientation.....No matter how you cut it not the same thing.
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See the flaw in your logic is that interracial relationships are not about the races of those involved but rather the attraction to a person of a certain race that is different than the norm. This is the same thing as same sex relationships, with the exception of the characteristic of attraction that is out of norm is sex instead or race.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
I don't know how much clearer I can explain it to you. As I stated before, I'm not comparing the races or the issues themselves. I'm showing the parallels between the words said by the opponents. People said very similar things in opposition of interracial marriage. It's a fact. And yes, we obviously do have a different definition of progress. Let's pretend for a second that you are right and that all 50 states are going to go against gay marriage and even have state constitutional amendments against it. Do you really think that will be the end of the issue? People for gay marriage aren't going to stop until it is legal, which it eventually will be. Regardless of what you think, we've come a very long way since the 80's regarding homosexuality. Back then people actually thought that AIDS was purely a gay disease (I'm not rehashing this argument. I realize that in your opinion it is.) A lot of things changed in the 90's. The stigma that was attached to being gay started to melt away. Now gay marriage is a hot button topic, where it wasn't even a thought back in the 80's. You can deem it whatever you want, but I call that progress. It will continue to roll forward and eventually gay marriage will be legal. There isn't a shadow of doubt in my mind that this will eventually be a reality, so you can post all of the numbers you want.
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Well all I can say is not in our lifetime and if and when it happens that should be about the time that God in heaven has seen enough of this debachery and decay and end it all. I personally believe that time is not far off as you Liberals think.

Unlike you I don't believe its really about gay marriage. there is a much bigger issue here and I think you know it...........

as far as AIDS go at one time it was a gay mans disease and they are still the most prominent people that catch it.........But its true that it has been passed to the straight community.
 
roguenuke said:
See the flaw in your logic is that interracial relationships are not about the races of those involved but rather the attraction to a person of a certain race that is different than the norm. This is the same thing as same sex relationships, with the exception of the characteristic of attraction that is out of norm is sex instead or race.
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I have been married to and Asian woman for 46 years and it is no way the same as SSM. So far you have picked up very liberal blue states for your SSM you will never do that in the fly over red states and the states in the south. Not in a million years......sorry
 
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