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Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

Navy Pride said:
It depends how you look at it CC As I just posted AIDS started in this country in the gay community probably in the bath houses of the peoples republic of SF.....That is a fact and I did not make it up...........No matter how much the gay community wants as to forget that fact we won't..........Its to close to home for some people...........
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Actually, it is widely thought that AIDS was introduced to the United States through a singular immigrant from Haiti.
 
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Navy Pride said:
It depends how you look at it CC As I just posted AIDS started in this country in the gay community probably in the bath houses of the peoples republic of SF.....That is a fact and I did not make it up...........No matter how much the gay community wants as to forget that fact we won't..........Its to close to home for some people...........
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NP... I've said this to you dozens of times. The spread of AIDS is caused by dangerous sexual practices or IV drug abuse. The sexual orientation of the people who spread AIDS is IRRELEVANT to it's spread. No matter how many times you blame AIDS on gays, I will continue to demonstrate that you are logically and factually WRONG. Now, since I've told you this plenty of times, and you still refuse to accept these facts, I hold no allusions that you will accept them now. This is more for the unsuspecting poster who really doesn't know... so that they will understand the facts of this issue. And the facts are... AIDS is not a gay disease or caused OR SPREAD by homosexuality. It is spread by dangerous and unprotected sex and IV drug use (needle sharing) regardless of one's sexuality.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
What do you have against gays?
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Absolutly nothing. I just enjoy the drama. It's like hoping there will be a 6th season of Braking Bad. Minorities exist for my amusement.
 
Jerry said:
Absolutly nothing. I just enjoy the drama. It's like hoping there will be a 6th season of Braking Bad. Minorities exist for my amusement.
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That's disturbing.
 
You all do realize his position is that the people should decide and he wants to put it on the ballot this November, and knows it will likely pass, That said, the democrat legislatures timing on this, isn't trying to help gay couples more than it's trying to help themselves...
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You all do realize his position is that the people should decide and he wants to put it on the ballot this November, and knows it will likely pass, That said, the democrat legislatures timing on this, isn't trying to help gay couples more than it's trying to help themselves...
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Sounds to me like he's just using the ballot initiative as an excuse to duck the issue. Does he not understand that we have a representative form of government?
 
Ockham said:
I live in NJ, he really doesn't agree with gay marriage for real. It's not posturing....
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I believe you. He seems like a very genuine homophobe to me as well .
 
AdamT said:
Sounds to me like he's just using the ballot initiative as an excuse to duck the issue.
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That would be the case, but he's maintained that position even while campaigning, stating that it should be brought to a referendum, note the timing of this thing. tell me who again is using the issue for political gain.



Does he not understand that we have a representative form of government?
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Referendum votes are used all the time in a representative republic, and often there is 2-5 on a NJ ballot each election. I for one think the referendum of this issue is truly the right move as it lets the people decide.
 
Hare said:
I'm a fan of Christie's on most issues, dissapointed to see him make this choice. If I had to guess, this move is nothing more than posturing as a "true social conservative" for a 2016 presidential run.
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Actually you are partially correct, he has his opinion, he would rather leave it up to the people than the legislature who is using the issue for thier own political gain, not for any caring about gay marriage.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Referendum votes are used all the time in a representative republic, and often there is 2-5 on a NJ ballot each election. I for one think the referendum of this issue is truly the right move as it lets the people decide.
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The people shouldn't be able to deny equality under the law through a vote.
 
Your Star said:
The people shouldn't be able to deny equality under the law through a vote.
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It's polled to pass, Christie is on record saying he believes it would pass, I think he's finding a way to reconcile his position with the peoples will. It's funny this same legislature I don't believe brought it up under the last few democrat Governor, why this one, why now? I see your point, but do not think there is much to worry about here, if one of the most liberal states in the union, if not the most liberal can't pass it under a popular referendum, you have bigger issues to worry about than Christie.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
NP... I've said this to you dozens of times. The spread of AIDS is caused by dangerous sexual practices or IV drug abuse. The sexual orientation of the people who spread AIDS is IRRELEVANT to it's spread. No matter how many times you blame AIDS on gays, I will continue to demonstrate that you are logically and factually WRONG. Now, since I've told you this plenty of times, and you still refuse to accept these facts, I hold no allusions that you will accept them now. This is more for the unsuspecting poster who really doesn't know... so that they will understand the facts of this issue. And the facts are... AIDS is not a gay disease or caused OR SPREAD by homosexuality. It is spread by dangerous and unprotected sex and IV drug use (needle sharing) regardless of one's sexuality.
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CC it is spread that way now but it was not that way in the early eighties. The only people that were getting AIDS were gays with very few exceptions. That is why the closed the bath houses down in San Francisco...Anyone can catch it now but straight males are the least most not to get it because most straight males don't engage in anal sex.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Actually, it is widely thought that AIDS was introduced to the United States through a singular immigrant from Haiti.
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a Link please or it jus heresay. I believe no one knows how it was introduced.
 
Because there have been many cases of Gays reverting to Straight I believe its a choice. There are many documented cases of Gays say they have changed, married and have had children and I am not the one to call them a liar.
 
Navy Pride said:
CC it is spread that way now but it was not that way in the early eighties. The only people that were getting AIDS were gays with very few exceptions. That is why the closed the bath houses down in San Francisco...Anyone can catch it now but straight males are the least most not to get it because most straight males don't engage in anal sex.
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NP< you are factually wrong. In the 80's, you could get AIDS from a blood transfusion or god's sake. IV drug users where a huge risk group and contributed heavily to the spread of AIDS. Lesbian females are a lower risk group than strait males and in fact almost all AIDS among lesbians was caused by other risk factors outside of lesbian sex. Facts NP, stop making things up please.
 
Navy Pride said:
Because there have been many cases of Gays reverting to Straight I believe its a choice. There are many documented cases of Gays say they have changed, married and have had children and I am not the one to call them a liar.
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There have also been people who have been straight and then turned gay. Your point?
 
Redress said:
NP< you are factually wrong. In the 80's, you could get AIDS from a blood transfusion or god's sake. IV drug users where a huge risk group and contributed heavily to the spread of AIDS. Lesbian females are a lower risk group than strait males and in fact almost all AIDS among lesbians was caused by other risk factors outside of lesbian sex. Facts NP, stop making things up please.
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I disagree, it true that drug users were getting it from dirty needles but they paled in comparison to the gay community getting it. Hell Redress why do you think they shut down the Bath Houses in SF where up to 50 men were hooked up in a daisy chain. AIDS needs and orfice to generate and the mouth, vagina and especially the anus are a perfect place to do it.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I disagree, it true that drug users were getting it from dirty needles but the paled in comparison to the gay community getting it. Hell Redress why do you think they shut down the Bath Houses in SF where up to 50 men were hooked up in a daisy chain. AIDS needs and orfice to generate and the mouth, vagina and especially the anus are a perfect place to do it.
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So what orifice do IV drug users use?
 
Navy Pride said:
None, one of the users had the disease and passed it that way.
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So when you said this:

Navy Pride said:
I disagree, it true that drug users were getting it from dirty needles but they paled in comparison to the gay community getting it. Hell Redress why do you think they shut down the Bath Houses in SF where up to 50 men were hooked up in a daisy chain. AIDS needs and orfice to generate and the mouth, vagina and especially the anus are a perfect place to do it.
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You were blatantly wrong you now admit.
 
Navy Pride said:
I disagree, it true that drug users were getting it from dirty needles but they paled in comparison to the gay community getting it. Hell Redress why do you think they shut down the Bath Houses in SF where up to 50 men were hooked up in a daisy chain. AIDS needs and orfice to generate and the mouth, vagina and especially the anus are a perfect place to do it.
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So you agree there are many means of transmission other than anal sex among gay men. Thanks, you are correct. In fact, being gay is not an actual risk factor. Further, one of the most effective ways to decrease AIDS is to encourage monogamy by such things as...marriage.
 
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