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Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

Your Star said:
Yep, thought so. Nothing more than an emotional response, which is what this law is trying to do. It's trying to force women, who like I said are most likely emotionally unstable to have an emotional response so that the outcome is what they want.

The government should not be doing this.
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What you have to understand is that Conservatives care passionately about clumps of cells that are potential babies. Babies themselves they don't give a rats ass about (see Alabama's effort to stop feeding babies of supposed illegal aliens - an effort supported by every conservative on this forum).

Starving babies to death is OK. But by God we're going to make sure they get born!
 
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Wiggen said:
What you have to understand is that Conservatives care passionately about clumps of cells that are potential babies. Babies themselves they don't give a rats ass about (see Alabama's effort to stop feeding babies of supposed illegal aliens).
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It's worse than that. They want power over women because they're feeling more and more powerless as women begin to climb in both political and financial power.
 
MrVicchio said:
Someone's just a weee bit overblown here in their attempts to create an argument for discussion.
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No, overblown is to make a woman have something shoved up her vagina to make a political statement.
 
AdamT said:
Right, because most women getting abortions don't understand what's going to happen. :roll:
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Ultrasound viewing significantly reduces the likelihood of the mother choosing abortion.
One study conducted in a pregnancy resource center in the U.S. reported that women planning to abort their child were 2 - 3 1/2 times more likely to keep their children after viewing their ultrasounds.
A study conducted in Oregon concluded that women at high risk of having abortion who viewed ultrasounds were only 30 percent likely to continue with the procedure, as compared to the 75 percent of women who did not view ultrasounds.
One study reported that women at risk for abortion who viewed ultrasounds and received counseling were 60 percent more likely to choose life than those who had counseling without ultrasounds.
Eight in ten pregnancy resource centers report that "abortion-minded" women decide to keep their babies after seeing ultrasound images.
According to an executive director of an Iowa pregnancy resource center, 90 percent of women who see their baby by ultrasound choose life.
One pregnancy resource center director in Baton Rouge states that "Ninety-eight percent of women who have ultrasounds choose to carry to term."
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Ultrasound Policy


Now I'll be the first to admit, it's a biased site, but I went looking for conflicting studies and found... none.
 
TheNextEra said:
No, overblown is to make a woman have something shoved up her vagina to make a political statement.
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The problem for you is, this isn't about making a political statement, it's about saving lives. That's why you fail so in this thread.
 
MrVicchio said:
The problem for you is, this isn't about making a political statement, it's about saving lives. That's why you fail so in this thread.
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how will shoving a tool up a woman's vagina, so it can take a picture of a 3-day old Zygote, gonna change anything?

she'll still have the abortion, but at least they got to have their way with her first.
 
MrVicchio said:
The problem for you is, this isn't about making a political statement, it's about saving lives. That's why you fail so in this thread.
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No it isn't about saving lives, it's about stupid ****ing conservatives trying to degrade women to score political points. **** any conservative that supports this and hopefully the same gets done to force them to have something shoved up their asses for an elective procedure.
 
jamesrage said:
Killing a unborn child is not a basic liberty.
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In their body, it is. Come up with a procedure to remove the baby from the woman's body an incubate it. Otherwise anyone against abortion can **** off.
 
The procedure does seem to go too far. If they wanted to curb abortions, just do what SC does, at least I think (thankfully I am not too up to date on SC abortion laws), in having an ultrasound and then having the woman talk to some one about it. It still pulls at those emotional strings that the Virigina law pulls at, but not require poking something in a woman's vagina. And at least at the same time, the woman you know is getting some counseling.
 
Muhammed said:
It is a good law that is likely to prevent some babies from being murdered.

The baby hating left wing in this country has brainwashed many women in this country into thinking that an abortion doesn't kill a living human being and this is a good way to mitigate that propaganda.
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this law will never stand up to a court challenge.
 
MrVicchio said:
Over the top hyperbole and rather pathetic hackery eh? The emotional exploitation is in reactions like this.
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so, do you agree with this law? and if you do, can you please explain how you reconcile this law with ANY sort of right to privacy? this is disgusting, at the least.
 
Muhammed said:
It is a good law that is likely to prevent some babies from being murdered.

The baby hating left wing in this country has brainwashed many women in this country into thinking that an abortion doesn't kill a living human being and this is a good way to mitigate that propaganda.
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and if it doesn't prevent a woman from aborting, at least the woman-hating Right-Wing got to have their way with her first. maybe they should write the words "Right-wing payback" on the device that's shoved up her privates.
 
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Thunder said:
how will shoving a tool up a woman's vagina, so it can take a picture of a 3-day old Zygote, gonna change anything?

she'll still have the abortion, but at least they got to have their way with her first.
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Wow, overboard much? Most choose life after seeing their unborn and understanding there are better options then death as a solution. Read back a few post I provided this information.
 
liblady said:
so, do you agree with this law? and if you do, can you please explain how you reconcile this law with ANY sort of right to privacy? this is disgusting, at the least.
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Such odd outrage. Kill a child good, show ger what she is killing... Outrage.
 
MrVicchio said:
Wow, overboard much? Most choose life after seeing their unborn and understanding there are better options then death as a solution. Read back a few post I provided this information.
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yeah, seeing the image of a 3-day old Zygote is really gonna change a woman's mind.

but hey, even if it doesn't, at least you got to shove something up there.
 
This discussion has quickly focused on whether a fetus is considered a citizen, or has rights.

38 States, and in cases where a federal charge of Murder can be applied, have granted enough status to a fetus to grant a charge of murder or manslaughter.

If a fetus is just a fetus, as some are arguing, then you must also have the position that these laws should be removed.
 
MrVicchio said:
Such odd outrage. Kill a child good, show ger what she is killing... Outrage.
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yes, passing a law requiring a woman to allow a doctor shove something up her vagina, is pretty ****ing outrageous.

how would you like a law requiring a prostate exam..with a long thick metal tool?
 
Thunder said:
yeah, seeing the image of a 3-day old Zygote is really gonna change a woman's mind.

but hey, even if it doesn't, at least you got to shove something up there.
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HAHAHA you think most women know they're pregnant and go for abortions at day3?

Why did I bother responding to you even once.
 
Thunder said:
yes, passing a law requiring a woman to allow a doctor shove something up her vagina, is pretty ****ing outrageous.

how would you like a law requiring a prostate exam..with a long thick metal tool?
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Your comparison is not accurate. There is no law requiring an abortion.

However, for your example, if there was a law requiring that prostate exams use a long thick metal tool, then I hate to burst your bubble but that already exists through regulation, and that power was strengthened through the insurance overhaul law.
 
I just thought of my wife having to go through this because we were in a unfortunate set of circumstances. I would lose my mind. This violates ever personal right and liberty a woman/citizen has.
 
Samhain said:
Your comparison is not accurate. There is no law requiring an abortion.

However, for your example, if there was a law requiring that prostate exams use a long thick metal tool, then I hate to burst your bubble but that already exists through regulation, and that power was strengthened through the insurance overhaul law.
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there is no law forcing men to get a colonoscopy.
 
Blue_State said:
I just thought of my wife having to go through this because we were in a unfortunate set of circumstances. I would lose my mind. This violates ever personal right and liberty a woman/citizen has.
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civil disobedience would be in order, to oppose these disgusting procedures.
 
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