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Cincinnati High School Paying Students To Come To School

Zyphlin said:
Wealth having more to do with a chance than with work does not equate that "self made man" = fantasy or a big of bullcrap. Anyone "not buying" that becoming a self made man is still possible is frankly ignorant of reality in this country. It absolutely is not a fantasy and still possible to be a self made man in this country. Is it easier to do if you have money already? Absolutely...that's not new, that's been true for centuries. However, NOT having wealth does not mean that its not possible to succeed and still be a self made man. What's fantasy and a load of bullcrap is the vast majority of the inaccurate and downright provably false statements you've made throughout this thread.
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what is notable is that you chose not to post and prove false the many statements you insist are inaccurate
that indicates you are actually without anything other than an invalid opinion to offer as rebuttal
 
I think it's great -- but doubt it's enough.

Look. We've got to try anything and everything we can think of to motivate kids in inner-city schools to learn. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. These little tweaks that the teachers make in curriculum? They don't mean ****. If a kid isn't motivated to learn at home...motivate 'em to stay in school -- or pay for their babies and lifestyles for the next 30-40 years on public assistance.

For inner-city schools that can't turn out readers, for God's sake -- incentivize them with a free college tuition...start in grade school...

It's parent failure for the most part, so we've got to find a way to compensate for that. Or else.
 
justabubba said:
not exactly
look at the most progressive cultures in the world and you will also see educated people

examine the more retarded cultures of the world and you will normally see an uneducated population

our choice. pay them now to do well in school, so they can help elevate our society, or pay the cost of incarceration, expanded police, judiciary and welfare system later
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How about instead of paying them start enforcing truancy laws? How about instead of paying them start mandating anyone under the age of 18 to attend school? Home teaching being the only excuse to not attend some sort of school. Phase out the GED over the next 50 years. Also get rid of this "everybody is a winner!" mentality.

Edit to add that if after 50 years from the time they mandate the kids must be in school if adults don't have a diploma then they cannot get welfare assistance.
 
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MaggieD said:
I think it's great -- but doubt it's enough.

Look. We've got to try anything and everything we can think of to motivate kids in inner-city schools to learn. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. These little tweaks that the teachers make in curriculum? They don't mean ****. If a kid isn't motivated to learn at home...motivate 'em to stay in school -- or pay for their babies and lifestyles for the next 30-40 years on public assistance.

For inner-city schools that can't turn out readers, for God's sake -- incentivize them with a free college tuition...start in grade school...

It's parent failure for the most part, so we've got to find a way to compensate for that. Or else.
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I don't know about most areas anymore but in my town there is no enforcement of keeping a kid in school while school is in progress. If a kid shows up for school then leave after first period the schools don't even inform the parents that their kid is no longer in school. Taking care of that problem would be a step in the right direction towards solving this crap.
 
It appears that the student population is comprised of an impoverished population. Spouting the promise of what an education can do most likely will fall on deaf ears. Having something tangible to work for rather than ideals, exclusively, is a positive move. Moreover 'the school will not use any operating funds for the program. It has raised $40,000 from charitable programs and two private donors and is looking for more." Nice pilot program I hope it helps this community.
 
muciti said:
Kind of like the incentive of people becoming a productive member of society, having your freedoms, and living a long life, as opposed to being a blight on society, a person your parents are ashamed of, ruining the lives of other people for your own greed, and rotting in prison or being gunned down in the street?
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Do you ACTUALLY think that teenagers think about ANY of that stuff? They don't make plans with their friends until 10 minutes before they meet them, nothing that you mention is even going to be on their radar.
 
Erod said:
So why don't the rich kids sell drugs, too? Everybody would love to make that kind of money, right?

Integrity.
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Read what you wrote. Perhaps rich kids don't need to make that kind of money because they are already rich.
 
CriticalThought said:
We were talking about kids in poverty.
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The vast majority of kids in poverty are not drug dealers.

Never said they would.
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You clearly suggested that somehow a program like this would act as a counter to the fact that kids would become drug dealers.

When did you check last?
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January of 2012

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4.2% of college graduates are unemployed. So yes, more than 95% of those that "work their ass off" and get a college degree don't end up unable to get a job.

I'm not disagreeing with ya at all, but the culture of kids in poverty is that materialism is all that matter. Since you missed the impoverished part, a lot of my argument apparently didn't make much sense to you.
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Instilling an even greater mentality of materialism into the culture of kids in poverty doens't seem to be the answer to the issue, it just seems to feed it.
 
justabubba said:
i disagree
we all respond to incentives (or disincentives)
don't think they went far enough
the school system should also financially reward students who perform well in school (and who do not create discipline problems)
any student who does not attend regularly or whose GPA is less than a 2.0 should have their drivers license suspended until those problems are cured
any family of such a student, which family receives any form of government assistance, should have to endure oodles of red tape to continue to receive their benefits. that might motivate mom/dad to more closely monitor their child's academic career
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You don't look good in conservative clothing, so stop. :lol:
 
American said:
You don't look good in conservative clothing, so stop. :lol:
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and the way you emphasized/excised my post speaks to why it shall remain that way
you high-lighted the portion which constituted the stick
you eliminated the portion which constituted the carrot
 
CriticalThought said:
A productive member of society? You mean like the CEOs, bankers, and Wall Street brokers who steal millions and then get the government to bail them out for millions more? Do you mean the people who work and save their entire life and then lose everything because they end up with an illness and they are underinsured? How about all those hard working and productive people in the last few years who watched their 401Ks disappear and ended up under water on their mortgage?

I'm sorry, but I don't think you can feed that bull crap, fantasy American dream stuff to kids living in poverty in this day and age when they have witnessed the corruption of the last decade. They are as you wanted them to be. They are materialistic consumers, who think greed is good, and will innovate whatever way they can to make quick cash rather than waste their lives toiling under the plow just to have the fruits of their labor stripped from them by a celebrated rich crook who will never face repercussions.
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So can I go rob a bank and be forgiven because of all these terrible things corporate CEO's do? After all in comparison it doesn't seem so bad. The types of comparisons you do here are irrelevant. All things bad and corrupt stand on their own and need to be criticized on their own without having to compare them to something that is just as bad or worse. Your attitude is why we don't have more people in poverty longing and striving to be better. They have an excuse because those greedy coporate CEO's are so much worse.
 
CriticalThought said:
That was perhaps one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on this forum.
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You've got about nine in this thread alone.

And as usual, you didn't get the point of my barb.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Read what you wrote. Perhaps rich kids don't need to make that kind of money because they are already rich.
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They ain't $10,000 a day rich like was insuated. Rich kids aren't handed fists full of dollars every day by their parents. Those parents didn't get rich by being that frivilous with their money. This notion that rich kids live the lives of Hiltons and Kardashians is just ridiculous.

In fact, often times rich kids aren't very happy because it is incredibly hard for them to meet the standards set by their parents. They can do very well in life, and still feel like failures no matter how supportive their family is.
 
Erod said:
They ain't $10,000 a day rich like was insuated. Rich kids aren't handed fists full of dollars every day by their parents. Those parents didn't get rich by being that frivilous with their money. This notion that rich kids live the lives of Hiltons and Kardashians is just ridiculous.

In fact, often times rich kids aren't very happy because it is incredibly hard for them to meet the standards set by their parents. They can do very well in life, and still feel like failures no matter how supportive their family is.
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I don't disagree with the comments in your post, here, but my comment that you quote is STILL accurate.
 
jambalaya said:
So can I go rob a bank and be forgiven because of all these terrible things corporate CEO's do? After all in comparison it doesn't seem so bad. The types of comparisons you do here are irrelevant. All things bad and corrupt stand on their own and need to be criticized on their own without having to compare them to something that is just as bad or worse. Your attitude is why we don't have more people in poverty longing and striving to be better. They have an excuse because those greedy coporate CEO's are so much worse.
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If you can't even govern the top, where do you think you get off trying to govern the bottom?
 
Erod said:
They ain't $10,000 a day rich like was insuated. Rich kids aren't handed fists full of dollars every day by their parents. Those parents didn't get rich by being that frivilous with their money. This notion that rich kids live the lives of Hiltons and Kardashians is just ridiculous.

In fact, often times rich kids aren't very happy because it is incredibly hard for them to meet the standards set by their parents. They can do very well in life, and still feel like failures no matter how supportive their family is.
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Again, Erod, to me it's a matter of opportunity cost.
You are right that not ALL rich kids are handed fists of dollars everyday (some, and I've met them, are) but they are by no means uncomfortable. They also have many more opportunities than those born in the ghetto. I'm not saying that someone coming from a broken, impoverished home has NO chance of being a productive member of society and that someone coming from a well off stable family will be successful regardless. You're right in saying those kids aren't 10k a day rich for the most part. Most in the ghetto aren't either (anecdotal story about the 10k anyway) though.

Would you agree that someone selling drugs in the ghetto has a lot less to LOSE and a lot more to GAIN compared to a privileged child doing the same?
 
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