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Priest allegedly told rape victim: ‘This is what God’s love feels like’

muciti said:
i am really starting to wonder is liberals believe in tolerance and non descrimination for all or just a select group that they choose.
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How am I discriminating? What actions have I done to dsciminate against a Catholic? How has my own personal intolerance of the religion affected any other Catholic other than my own right to free speech?
 
TheNextEra said:
How am I discriminating? What actions have I done to dsciminate against a Catholic? How has my own personal intolerance of the religion affected any other Catholic other than my own right to free speech?
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Dam.. I am screaming it from the rooftops and nobody hears me....
 
ThePlayDrive said:
In case you haven't noticed, I and other liberals have been on the side of tolerance in this thread so you're generalizations are nonsensical. Moreover, while I disagree with condemning the entire Catholic Church, I understand the desire to do so since molestation is big deal. I don't think any liberal would argue that child molestation and covering it up should be tolerated.
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your right. sorry.
 
TheNextEra said:
How am I discriminating? What actions have I done to dsciminate against a Catholic? How has my own personal intolerance of the religion affected any other Catholic other than my own right to free speech?
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Intolerance is the key there. Freedom of speech covers people who bash gays, blacks and muslims too. DOesnt make them or you right.
 
muciti said:
Intolerance is the key there. Freedom of speech covers people who bash gays, blacks and muslims too. DOesnt make them or you right.
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We all have intolerances. EVERYONE. Are you tolerant of child molesters? No, you aren't, therefore you are intolerant.

I am intolerant of child molesters and their supporters. And by following a central authority that has aided, hid, and lied about child molesters in their ranks, that puts them in the supporter catagory for me.
 
TheNextEra said:
We all have intolerances. EVERYONE. Are you tolerant of child molesters? No, you aren't, therefore you are intolerant.

I am intolerant of child molesters and their supporters. And by following a central authority that has aided, hid, and lied about child molesters in their ranks, that puts them in the supporter catagory for me.
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This doesn't make any sense. The United States government has done some pretty crappy things and all Americans follow its authority. Are all Americans "supporters" of those bad actions? At the same time, the Catholic Church is also responsible for a lot of good things as well. Are all Catholics then supporters of those actions too?
 
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TheNextEra said:
We all have intolerances. EVERYONE. Are you tolerant of child molesters? No, you aren't, therefore you are intolerant.

I am intolerant of child molesters and their supporters. And by following a central authority that has aided, hid, and lied about child molesters in their ranks, that puts them in the supporter catagory for me.
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You dont see the difference between hating a billion people for their beliefs and child molesters?
 
Rapists say all sorts of sick **** when they're violating others - they say it for theirselves, not for the victim.
 
muciti said:
You dont see the difference between hating a billion people for their beliefs and child molesters?
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Their beleifs in following a central authority that has aided, hid, and lied about child molesters in their ranks? Hey, you want to support that, go right ahead. I'm not.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
This doesn't make any sense. The United States government has done some pretty crappy things and all Americans follow it's authority. Are all Americans "supporters" of those bad actions? At the same time, the Catholic Church is also responsible for a lot of good things as well. Are all Catholics then supporters of those actions too?
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In a way, yes we are. Much like the voters are to blame for the current debt crisis because voters keep voting in the same idiots that cause it.
 
TheNextEra said:
Their beleifs in following a central authority that has aided, hid, and lied about child molesters in their ranks? Hey, you want to support that, go right ahead. I'm not.
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You're being a partisan hack and people see right through you.
 
TheNextEra said:
In a way, yes we are. Much like the voters are to blame for the current debt crisis because voters keep voting in the same idiots that cause it.
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There is a difference between standing by and supporting. Pedophiles and any Catholic leaders who covered up their wrongdoing are responsible for their own actions. You would be hard pressed to find any Catholic laymen who support pedophilia or covering it up. I suspect the majority of Catholic leaders are the same.

One can support an idea and institution without supporting the entirety of its leaders, members and doctrines. The idea that Catholics must give up their religion in order to not be supporters of pedophilia or covering it up is illogical just like the idea that Americans must give up their citizenship in order to not be supporters war, legal abortion or other realities.
 
Wake said:
What do you mean the church condoned it? Or ignored it?

"There has been a nationwide pattern which I have observed over the last 35
years. Bishops know of ongoing sexual misconduct by Catholic priests and
religious and bishops co-operate to keep such misconduct from becoming public
knowledge. The following are uniform practices: failing to investigate indications
of any sexual misconduct, even with children; failing to supervise properly the
cleric in his assignment, failing to ensure that the cleric is prosecuted for
misconduct with children. Once an incident occurs, energy and policies at the
highest levels of Church authority have been directed to damage control,
avoidance of scandal at all costs, and efforts to placate and manipulate victims
and families. The latter often involves intimidation, misleading information, and
even fraudulent means, if necessary. Policy also involves maintaining the priest in
a new assignment without proper supervision and without informing the
congregation where the abusive behaviour usually continues. (Sipe, A W R,"

Studies on Priests Molesting Children


I would say my evaluation is accurate.

You can't demonize a whole group/religion for the actions of some, amirite?
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Actually....YES I CAN
 
muciti said:
i am really starting to wonder is liberals believe in tolerance and non descrimination for all or just a select group that they choose.
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Tolerance?

The church is completely wrong on this..

Parents should be encouraged to report molestation to law enforcement NOT the Bishop.

Its the same sick self serving idiocy that protected the institution of Penn State over the wel-being of the kids, and Paterno was a "devout Catholic"...
 
sharon said:
Tolerance?

The church is completely wrong on this..

Parents should be encouraged to report molestation to law enforcement NOT the Bishop.

Its the same sick self serving idiocy that protected the institution of Penn State over the wel-being of the kids, and Paterno was a "devout Catholic"...
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I think he was referring to the fact that some people have chosen to condemn all Catholics not just those involved in pedophilia and the cover up. It's pretty ignorant to condemn all Catholics for the actions of certain Catholic leaders.

Also, I'm not sure what Paterno has to do with this. People of all denominations or none at all do horrible things. Whatever link you're trying to draw to his Catholicism is just ignorant and a symptom of illogical intolerance.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I think he was referring to the fact that some people have chosen to condemn all Catholics not just those involved in pedophilia and the cover up. It's pretty ignorant to condemn all Catholics for the actions of certain Catholic leaders.

Also, I'm not sure what Paterno has to do with this. People of all denominations or none at all do horrible things. Whatever link you're trying to draw to his Catholicism is just ignorant and a symptom of illogical intolerance.
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Paterno knew and didn't report it to law enforcement.

And WHY would Catholic parents report molestation to the bishop instead of calling the cops?????
 
muciti said:
What religion are you or lack thereof that has absolutely no offenders of crimes what so ever?
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This isn't about religion.. Its about stupidity..

If your kid is molested, where do you report it?

What is your responsibility?

Because the coaching assistant reported it to Paterno...............
 
sharon said:
Paterno knew and didn't report it to law enforcement.

And WHY would Catholic parents report molestation to the bishop instead of calling the cops?????
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And what do Paterno's actions have to do with his Catholicism? Like I said, non-Catholics do things like that all the time. Your attempt to make the Penn State situtation about Catholicism is ridiculous.

Again, condemning all Catholics for the actions of some Catholic leaders is nonsensical.
 
sharon said:
This isn't about religion.. Its about stupidity..

If your kid is molested, where do you report it?

What is your responsibility?

Because the coaching assistant reported it to Paterno...............
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If it's not about religion, then why did you mention Paterno's religion?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
And what do Paterno's actions have to do with his Catholicism? Like I said, non-Catholics do things like that all the time. Your attempt to make the Penn State situtation about Catholicism is ridiculous.

Again, condemning all Catholics for the actions of some Catholic leaders is nonsensical.
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Penn State it NOT about Catholicism.. but the problem is the same

The church protects itself just as Penn State (the institution) protected itself..

My issue is .. what in hell is wrong with Catholic parents that they reported molestation to the Bishop instead of law enforcement??

Were they holding out for a settlement from the Archdiocese?
 
sharon said:
Penn State it NOT about Catholicism.. but the problem is the same

The church protects itself just as Penn State (the institution) protected itself..

My issue is .. what in hell is wrong with Catholic parents that they reported molestation to the Bishop instead of law enforcement??

Were they holding out for a settlement from the Archdiocese?
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I challenge you to find a religion that does not have stupid parents within its organization. You really need to learn the difference between people and a group. Stupidity is everywhere. Not just in the ranks of the catholics.
 
Wake said:
If we can't use the actions of some in the OWS to attack the OWS as a whole, then, logically, we can't attack Catholicism [and all the people in it] as a whole for the actions of some in that group.
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This is accurate.
 
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