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Egypt's Brotherhood says it should govern

I think what is missing here is the big picture.. During the first 30 years of the oil business in Arabia, Americans were involved in every aspect of development.. from building roads and power plants.. to drilling water wells, to eradicating Malaria, to education and training up a Saudi labor force...to constant negotiation with the SAG and the king.

The American community was quite small.. and everyone was a designated diplomat. We were taught that we came to get the oil NOT to reform Arab culture or act as missionaries.

That may be difficult for someone who works for Kroger Corporation or GE etc.. in the US to wrap their head around.

Yes, we did much good for the Arab community without expecting anything but fair trade didn't we? Heh, imperialists I think not. But, you're on to something here, see in your insult of my profession you failed to recognise that we were actually starting a civil conversation before you let Adam pull you back to trollville. Shame really.

J-mac

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Yes, we did much good for the Arab community without expecting anything but fair trade didn't we? Heh, imperialists I think not. But, you're on to something here, see in your insult of my profession you failed to recognise that we were actually starting a civil conversation before you let Adam pull you back to trollville. Shame really.

J-mac

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We? Were you involved?
 
No, other than being a voting American. Does that mean that I am not allowed an opinion?


j-mac

LOLOL, the success of ARAMCO was about keeping the US government OUT of the equasion. The men who made it happen were REAL Americans from Texas, Oklahoma, California etc.
 
LOLOL, the success of ARAMCO was about keeping the US government OUT of the equasion. The men who made it happen were REAL Americans from Texas, Oklahoma, California etc.


Oh, I see, I misunderstood....No, I have never been conected with the oil business.


j-mac
 
Normally, the revelation that America started all the color revolutions and the Arab Spring would trigger Congressional Investigations and hearings for impeachment.

Now that the Corporations have such a strangle hold on government these days, I don't know.
 
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LOLOL, the success of ARAMCO was about keeping the US government OUT of the equasion. The men who made it happen were REAL Americans from Texas, Oklahoma, California etc.

The relationship between the American oil people and the Saudis is very interesting..

They learned English from slow talking guys from Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama .... and that's sort of the way they learned to relate to Westerners.
 
Gheeze, we didn't see this one coming right?....Oh wait, we did too...In fact it is exactly what we said would happen. What a mess. Funny how the Islamist group MB sounds just like liberal progressives here in America doesn't it?Using a crisis to grab power, changing their name to soften the appeal to the masses, etc....j-mac

Wait a second. A political party wants to have power and thinks that their opposition isn't doing a good job?

I've seen this before. Where was that again? Wasn't democracy in the region one of the foreign policy goals of the right back in 2003? I guess I'm wrong. Democracy = bad, my mistake.
 
Is there a political party that DOESN'T want to govern?
 
Wait a second. A political party wants to have power and thinks that their opposition isn't doing a good job?

I've seen this before. Where was that again? Wasn't democracy in the region one of the foreign policy goals of the right back in 2003? I guess I'm wrong. Democracy = bad, my mistake.


Oh please...I suppose that Hamas is just a political party as well eh?


j-mac
 
Oh please...I suppose that Hamas is just a political party as well eh?


j-mac

Regardless of what you think of them, would you rather Mubarak was still in power? Would you want the US military to go in and make Egypt's politics something we like? I don't know what another solution would be...

I'm personally in favor of letting Egypt decide what their democracy looks like. It's their country and their democracy.

BTW, do you know that probably the single biggest contributor to terrorism is lack of a voice in the political system? Leaving violence as the only option to effect political change. I'm guessing not. No matter what, the Muslim Brotherhood is going to be an influential force in Egypt. So do they participate within the system, or outside of it?
 
Regardless of what you think of them, would you rather Mubarak was still in power?

I didn't say that did I? Although, Mubarak was what held Egyptian peace with Israel for decades. The 'Brotherhood' is just another band of thugs that seeks destruction of Israel. So, great, what a win.


Would you want the US military to go in and make Egypt's politics something we like?


Didn't say that either.

I don't know what another solution would be...

So strawman fallacies are all you have? Ok. Thanks.


j-mac
 
I didn't say that did I? Although, Mubarak was what held Egyptian peace with Israel for decades. The 'Brotherhood' is just another band of thugs that seeks destruction of Israel. So, great, what a win.





Didn't say that either.



So strawman fallacies are all you have? Ok. Thanks.


j-mac

Trying to see what your solution to the problem is. Do you have one or not?
 
Trying to see what your solution to the problem is. Do you have one or not?

Not really, but I do know that the Brotherhood is not the solution. That isn't democracy, it is enslavment of another kind, and not for the better of the Egyptian people....Or LaHood's son.


j-mac
 
Is that sarcasm? Israel is the most important country on earth. More important than ours.

Not to me it's not. Nor should it be to anybody who claims to be a proud American.
 
Not to me it's not. Nor should it be to anybody who claims to be a proud American.


You do realize that the majority of Americans support Israel, for you to infer that those that do are somehow unAmerican is deplorable.

j-mac
 
Not to me it's not. Nor should it be to anybody who claims to be a proud American.

I said Israel was more important to the world, and it is. Most studies show that World War 3 is likely to start in Israel. 3 of the major world religions have ties to Jerusalem. It's more important globally than our country.

Put it another way... if I were German, I would care a lot more about Israeli domestic politics than American domestic politics.
 
You do realize that the majority of Americans support Israel, for you to infer that those that do are somehow unAmerican is deplorable.

j-mac


I'm not saying that supporting Israel is unamerican. What kind of a straw man is that? I think that an American's priority should be America and let Israel be the priority of Israelis.

Put it another way... if I were German, I would care a lot more about Israeli domestic politics than American domestic politics.

To put my view another way, if I were German, I'd care much more about Germany than Israel.
 
Is that sarcasm? Israel is the most important country on earth. More important than ours.

Israel is about the size of New Jersey and has the 40th largest economy in the world.
 
Ed Schultz was using the death of Quaddafi for an Obama victory push, touting his foreign policy "victories" as a reason for supporting him. More and more, TV and radio hosts are there to promote the predetermined DNC/RNC policies in their coverage, rather than question the sanity of them. Barely no one can look at news independently anymore. Most of the shows on TV and radio are just the government party line in one form or another. I felt like calling him and saying "Mega-dittos Rush!" because Rush never saw a war he didn't love.What a sell out. It pains me to see this, Ed Schultz has decided to use his show to be the bedrock of lets re-elect Obama after he cause the worst off year congressional election defeat in recent memory. Ed used to be a good soldier. Like Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz wants to be a Democratic Party hack rather than tell listeners the truth. Today he championed Libya as an Obama victory, using Lockerbie an excuse to justify the murder of civillians and scorched earth policy NATO used on Libya. Nevermind that Libya was attacked because of oil.Well Ed Schultz sometimes criticized Pres. Obama but to call Libya "a victory for Obama," is outrageous. Ed Yutz has alot of power brokers, think tankers, pols and DC insiders on his show, most of the time they eclipse the message of his listeners who favor major progressive reforms in Washington. It seems like Ed caved to the power brokers on this one.

Do we really have free speech and a free country, with government mouthpieces on every channel?

But, was Libya really a victory? Sounds more like senseless slaughter by the Obama Admin., to me.

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Except the notion that all surrounding countries desire Israel's total destruction is an oft repeated lie... and serves an obvious political purpose.

I know who has an agenda we all hate: the Dept. of Defense.

Their subsidiaries: the NYT, WaHoPo, Fox, bomb maker MSNBC, and Time/Warner- CNN ... are still selling more lies and censorship about war.


Fascists and demagogues always need a scapegoat.

See also: McCarthyism, Rush Limbo, Michael Savage, Hitler, Stalin, Dick Cheney, Ann Coulter,Shaun Hannity, Sarah Palin, John McCain, Bill O' the Clown
Another indy blogger adds more ...

"A couple weeks ago, I wrote about how the outlets of the mainstream press in the US are rapidly losing readers and relevancy. These rags of wasted ink and paper, these “news” programs with screaming talk heads, are not “liberal” or “conservative.” They are nothing more than mouthpieces for the centralized whims of the DC war machine."

(d)N0t » Blog Archive » Dream Not Of Today – Good Riddance to the American Media by Robert Taylor

And still in another blog post by the same author ...

"You might not know it from any of the Pharoah-fanning media, but Obama is doing his best Alexander the Great Slaughterer impression in Afghanistan as his 21,000 troop “surge” is beginning to arrive. In fact, the bombing of Afghanistan has increased every single month Obama has been in office. There’s going to be a lot more detainees headed Bagram’s way thanks to O-bomber (and his equally bloodthirsty Sec. of State Hillary the Hawk) as he spends $200 million dollars a day bombing the Afghan countryside."

"I bring up Obama’s torture two-face because tomorrow, June 26, is the International Day of Support for Victims of Torture. The CIA, FBI, and the Pentagram (Pentagon) might be up for weeks if they thought about all of their victims of torture, as well as the other rarely-discussed victims: the 5th and 8th Amendments of the Bill of Rights."


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