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Top House Republican vows legislation to overturn Obama rule mandating birth control

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I suspect that HHS will expand the religious exemption clause before the end of the week.
 
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muciti said:
I must have missed the part where you have to be conservative or a republican to be religious or care about issues involving religion. I wish I had gotten that memo.
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Tell me? Who is it that takes money from the religious right?
 
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muciti said:
Liberal religious people force their faith on others just as much. Dont give me that crap.
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Blatant Bull****.
 
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Paschendale said:
Clearly because decreasing access to healthcare for poorer couples is a move that benefits this country. Especially on the astoundingly flimsy logic that a few people whose religious beliefs (not even all Catholics mind you, and exactly zero of the Catholics I've ever asked) require them to not use birth control means that they have to stop others from using it as well.

How about we keep our eyes on the ball and work on doing something about all this poverty?
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While it might feel good to think "spreading the wealth" around helps the poor, reality is all you're doing is making more poor people and ensuring more people stay poor. 80 years since the "New Deal" and your Progressives still keep saying "The problem is we're not taking ENOUGH money from rich people and giving it to the poor!"
 
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1Perry said:
They won't have to. Obama is going to back off this.
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Does seem like a safe bet. But guess we will have to wait and see. (Suspecting it will happen soon...)
 
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Top Cat said:
Blatant Bull****.
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Are you kidding? Walk into almost any church in America and start talking politics. Their are just as many liberals as their are conservatives. Religion is not a republican idea.
 
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And no-one will mandate that people use the insurance to cover birth control. If they don't believe in it, then they don't use it. This type of health insurance coverage is mandated in 28 states already. Shall we just exempt all church related "medical" organizations? Jehovah's-anti-transfusions, scientologists-anti-psychiatry & all psych meds, christrian scientists-any conventional medical facilities; and other groups. The administration backing down on this issue could open the it up for all such groups.
 
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Rosie1 said:
And no-one will mandate that people use the insurance to cover birth control. If they don't believe in it, then they don't use it. This type of health insurance coverage is mandated in 28 states already. Shall we just exempt all church related "medical" organizations? Jehovah's-anti-transfusions, scientologists-anti-psychiatry & all psych meds, christrian scientists-any conventional medical facilities; and other groups. The administration backing down on this issue could open the it up for all such groups.
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If those groups are the ones providing the insurance, then yes. This is a major loser for Obama. There is no way he can enforce it. The church's will not back off here. So how does Obama go about enforcing this?
 
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The White House struggled Wednesday to contain the growing uproar over its birth-control mandate, with Democrats peeling off one by one in what has become an increasingly divisive election-year controversy.

Pressure to roll back the new contraception policy mounted quickly as the day wore on, driven by divisions among Democrats, mixed messages from President Obama’s advisers and a constant drumbeat from the GOP.


“It’s becoming a thorny problem for the White House and it appears to only be getting worse,” said one Democratic strategist. “The politically astute move would be to modify this thing, and quick.”

Asked if the administration should shift course, a former senior administration official said, “I don’t see how they couldn’t. It’s pretty bad.”

Obama administration struggles to contain uproar over birth-control rule - The Hill's Healthwatch

Tick, tick, tick, tick.
 
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Mycroft said:
The church is going to make him back off even more...just wait and see.
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I'm not sure what they are proposing here but it is setting the GPS to the status quo in the end.
 
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Rosie1 said:
And no-one will mandate that people use the insurance to cover birth control. If they don't believe in it, then they don't use it. This type of health insurance coverage is mandated in 28 states already. Shall we just exempt all church related "medical" organizations? Jehovah's-anti-transfusions, scientologists-anti-psychiatry & all psych meds, christrian scientists-any conventional medical facilities; and other groups. The administration backing down on this issue could open the it up for all such groups.
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I dont know where you are getting this particular bit of information, its not true. Not even Chris Matthews is willing to take the 28 state administration spin, its more like 3.
Matthews: Don’t bring out that false White House spin on the mandate; Update: WH to offer “accommodation” on contraception rule? « Hot Air
 
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What a load of crap.

Answer the question below, Obama.

“The White House Fact Sheet is riddled with doublespeak and contradiction,” Smith continued. “It states, for example, that religious employers ‘will not’ have to pay for abortion pills, sterilization and contraception, but their ‘insurance companies’ will. Who pays for the insurance policy? The religious employer.”
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Breaking: Catholic and pro-life leaders slam White House ‘compromise’ on birth control mandate | LifeSiteNews.com
 
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1Perry said:
If those groups are the ones providing the insurance, then yes. This is a major loser for Obama. There is no way he can enforce it. The church's will not back off here. So how does Obama go about enforcing this?
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Not backing off.

Catholic bishops said Friday night that they would not support the Obama administration's proposed compromise on a controversial rule that requires most employers to fully cover contraception in their workers' health plans.

Catholic Bishops Oppose Obama Compromise on Birth-Control Insurance - WSJ.com
 
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MrVicchio said:
What, fighting illegal dictates from the boy king is a bad move politically? Should they be trying to out borrow and spend money we don't have with Obama to show they "care" about people?
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Illegal dictates?

"We have never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the State is free to regulate. On the contrary, the record of more than a century of our free exercise jurisprudence contradicts that proposition."

-Justice Antonin Scalia, writing the majority opinion in Employment Division v. Smith.

Thanks for playing.
 
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danarhea said:
Illegal dictates?

"We have never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that the State is free to regulate. On the contrary, the record of more than a century of our free exercise jurisprudence contradicts that proposition."

-Justice Antonin Scalia, writing the majority opinion in Employment Division v. Smith.

Thanks for playing.
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Scalia will be one of those who rule that Obamacare isn't a valid law.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Then he will be going against legal precedent he, himself have set.
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He clearly stated "a valid law".
 
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1Perry said:
He clearly stated "a valid law".
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And what makes a federal law valid?

For starters, the mere fact that it exist per the Constitutional process. Put bluntly, a federal law remains "valid" until:

a) it is repealed by Congress (and the subsequent repeal legislation is signed by the President);

b) it is replace by a subsequent law; or,

c) it is ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

Until one of the three occurs, the law as codified in U.S. Code IS the law and, thus, is "valid".
 
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Objective Voice said:
And what makes a federal law valid?
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The Supreme Court stating whether it is or not.

For starters, the mere fact that it exist per the Constitutional process. Put bluntly, a federal law remains "valid" until:

a) it is repealed by Congress (and the subsequent repeal legislation is signed by the President);

b) it is replace by a subsequent law; or,

c) it is ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

Until one of the three occurs, the law as codified in U.S. Code IS the law and, thus, is "valid".
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And as soon as they rule, it won't be. But all the same, a law or rule that there is absolutely no way you can enforce is never really valid.
 
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Hatuey said:
The Republican establishment makes their campaigns about religion regardless of what year it is. In 2008, they made it about Obama's religion. In 2004, they made it about gay marriage. In 2000, they made it about family values. In 1998, they made the congress elections about Clinton's infidelity and how it went against Christian values. The list just keeps on going on how and what issues the religious right has chosen to make almost every important election about.
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It is about religious rights, the sanctity of the First Amendment and how Obama is trampling on basic, fundamental Constitutional rights...
 
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1Perry said:
Not backing off.

Catholic bishops said Friday night that they would not support the Obama administration's proposed compromise on a controversial rule that requires most employers to fully cover contraception in their workers' health plans.

Catholic Bishops Oppose Obama Compromise on Birth-Control Insurance - WSJ.com
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I think those bishops are attempting to take America down a lubricated slope. :mrgreen:
 
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ludahai said:
It is about religious rights, the sanctity of the First Amendment and how Obama is trampling on basic, fundamental Constitutional rights...
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Some religions don't believe that ANY treatment should be given a patient (Christian Scientists, for example). Should that mean they have a constitutional right to deny any and all medical care to others? If you say no to this, then logicially, you must also say no to the Catholic church where it comes to contraception. After all, many who work for Catholic charities are not Catholic, and the Catholic church does not have the right to force their religion down the throats of others, any more than Christian Scientists do. If so, that is, to grant the Catholic church what they want but not Christian Scientists, would be respecting the establishment of one religion over another, which is unconstitutional.
 
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The fact is that a majority of Americans, AND a majority of Catholic Americans support Obama's compromise position. In fact there is virtually no difference in support between Catholics and non-Catholics.
 
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