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NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

Harshaw said:
Forget probable cause; there's nothing even approaching reasonable suspicion.
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You don't need probable cause to buy a gun at a gun show! :lol:

Y'all have been watching WAY too much Law and Order.
 
AdamT said:
You don't need probable cause to buy a gun at a gun show! :lol:

Y'all have been watching WAY too much Law and Order.
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You do if you are using false pretenses for the purpose of legal action, or for the purposes of "investigation". The fact is the P.I.s flat out lied to get what they considered damning evidence on behalf of a jackass mayor almost a coast away from jurisdiction. You may not lie to obtain a firearm under either federal or state laws.
 
Captain America said:
I'm sure that there are extremo libber's on the left that would LOVE to take away our guns. But I also know that there are whacko righties that would want to put up video cams in our bedrooms and send the poor to work camps to serve the rich.
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True, not all liberals are anti-2nd, those that aren't usually are at about the same stance as the right on ownership, also true that most conservatives like myself couldn't give two damns what consenting adults do in private(I am also against street cams and traffic enforcement cams/vans). However the loudest of the wings get the most coverage, and the anti-2nd left tends to have a lot of dishonest arguments towards the gun control debate.
I think it's a bit extreme to paint either group with one big brush.
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True, but one must blame the extremists for that as they are the ones screwing up our fine republic.
That's all I'm saying. I don't buy all the demonization and fabrications from the right that are pointed at people who differ from them in opinion. Most critical thinking people don't.
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I will say this, opinion is fine but call to action to limit my rights will be met with a high level of resistance and scorn.
One thing for sure. There are no shortage of idiots here in America. Good news is, there aren't enough of them to really matter in the grand scheme of things and just enough of them to keep FOXNews profitable.
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Oh come on now. A dig at FOX, you are better than that.
 
LaMidRighter said:
You do if you are using false pretenses for the purpose of legal action, or for the purposes of "investigation". The fact is the P.I.s flat out lied to get what they considered damning evidence on behalf of a jackass mayor almost a coast away from jurisdiction. You may not lie to obtain a firearm under either federal or state laws.
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As a matter of fact there is no law at all against telling a private seller that you might not pass a background check. There are laws against lying to REGISTERED DEALERS, yes ... but NOT private sellers.
 
j-mac said:
It is both. Listen Joe, there are reasons that police as a professional courtesy inform other jurisdictions when they are present. Let me ask you, Do you think it is perfectly appropiate for another state's police to enter into say your state un announced to conduct a sting?

j-mac
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I wonder what the purpose of the sting was exactly.

The NYPD cannot bring any of the guilty up on charges as none of the crimes happened in New York.

Why did they waste their time?
 
Mason66 said:
I wonder what the purpose of the sting was exactly.

The NYPD cannot bring any of the guilty up on charges as none of the crimes happened in New York.

Why did they waste their time?
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Bloomberg wants the federal law changed to require background checks for all gun sales. He was trying to draw attention to the problem of private sellers being exempt from the BG check requirement (a/k/a the gun show loophole).
 
For the record...this wasnt a 'sting'. There were no arrests made (how could there be...Mikey even admitted the sales were legal). Arizona doesnt require two party consent for recording an event (provided there isnt criminal or torte intent). They were trying to prove a 'point'...the point being that some gun sales at a gun show are done without background checks (true) and with the implication that the seller knew the gun he was selling was going to a criminal (not true). In the video presented by Mikey, no comment was made re 'possible' failure of a background check. In the second sale the buyer jokingly stated he 'probably' couldnt pass a background check, not that he couldnt. The ONLY criminal behavior here might have been done by the buyer.
 
Mason66 said:
I wonder what the purpose of the sting was exactly.

The NYPD cannot bring any of the guilty up on charges as none of the crimes happened in New York.

Why did they waste their time?
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because Bloomberg has done such a good job cleaning up NYC he feels he has the time to try and fix everywhere else now.
 
So most illegal guns in ny come from the east coast.

Why aint any of the lefties all upset he used the giffords shooting as a prop for his illegal stings?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So most illegal guns in ny come from the east coast.

Why aint any of the lefties all upset he used the giffords shooting as a prop for his illegal stings?
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Ends ALWAYS justifies the means. Clinton used the tragic death of a little girl shot by her 7 year old friend who found his crack dealing uncles gun as justification to promote magazine capacity bans and trigger lock laws.
 
VanceMack said:
For the record...this wasnt a 'sting'. There were no arrests made (how could there be...Mikey even admitted the sales were legal). Arizona doesnt require two party consent for recording an event (provided there isnt criminal or torte intent). They were trying to prove a 'point'...the point being that some gun sales at a gun show are done without background checks (true) and with the implication that the seller knew the gun he was selling was going to a criminal (not true). In the video presented by Mikey, no comment was made re 'possible' failure of a background check. In the second sale the buyer jokingly stated he 'probably' couldnt pass a background check, not that he couldnt. The ONLY criminal behavior here might have been done by the buyer.
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Um, wrong. The buyer made exactly the same comment about not being able to pass a BG check in two videos. I think the comments were sufficient to establish that the sellers had reason to believe that the buyer could not pass a BG check.
 
VanceMack said:
Ends ALWAYS justifies the means. Clinton used the tragic death of a little girl shot by her 7 year old friend who found his crack dealing uncles gun as justification to promote magazine capacity bans and trigger lock laws.
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I remember that. Capacity maximums are just a stupid idea, it's not the quantity of shots that endanger you it's the quality of shots.
 
VanceMack said:
Ends ALWAYS justifies the means. Clinton used the tragic death of a little girl shot by her 7 year old friend who found his crack dealing uncles gun as justification to promote magazine capacity bans and trigger lock laws.
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Right, and Bush used the tragic deaths of 3,000 Americans to invade Iraq.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I remember that. Capacity maximums are just a stupid idea, it's not the quantity of shots that endanger you it's the quality of shots.
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So you wouldn't have a problem getting into a gun fight, if you have a single-shot pistol and the other guy has a Glock with a 15 round magazine?
 
AdamT said:
So you wouldn't have a problem getting into a gun fight, if you have a single-shot pistol and the other guy has a Glock with a 15 round magazine?
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Not at all, then again I've been shooting since I was six and I've seen people who would miss with the entire magazine. If the guy is a decent shot it doesn't matter how many he has. This response of yours is showing you really aren't as informed about guns as you think.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Not at all, then again I've been shooting since I was six and I've seen people who would miss with the entire magazine. If the guy is a decent shot it doesn't matter how many he has. This response of yours is showing you really aren't as informed about guns as you think.
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Yeah, I'm sure you're right. That's why militaries all over the world are carrying single-shot pistols. :lol:
 
AdamT said:
Yeah, I'm sure you're right. That's why militaries all over the world are carrying single-shot pistols. :lol:
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Have you ever had to pull?
 
AdamT said:
Right, and Bush used the tragic deaths of 3,000 Americans to invade Iraq.
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Look! You took your apple, combined it with a battery, and pretended it was a dumptruck. How special...
 
LaMidRighter said:
I remember that. Capacity maximums are just a stupid idea, it's not the quantity of shots that endanger you it's the quality of shots.
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Its especially despicable when you have a 7 year old little girl lying in a puddle of blood from a single gunshot wound to promote your special interest regarding cap bans.
 
VanceMack said:
Look! You took your apple, combined it with a battery, and pretended it was a dumptruck. How special...
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I did all that? [beams with pride]
 
VanceMack said:
Its especially despicable when you have a 7 year old little girl lying in a puddle of blood from a single gunshot wound to promote your special interest regarding cap bans.
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True. I despise using tradgedy for politics, I hated it for the Wellstone memorial, the VT shootings, Gabrielle Giffords, Columbine, etc.

These people either suffered or died and there is no reason to further the pain my trivializing it to the point of agenda based message.
 
AdamT said:
You don't need probable cause to buy a gun at a gun show! :lol:

Y'all have been watching WAY too much Law and Order.
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You brought up "suspicion."
 
Harshaw said:
Apparently you were absent the day they taught the doctrine of incorporation.
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its contrarian nonsense tempered by dishonest posts.
 
AdamT said:
Noooo, the doctrine of incorporation is exactly what poops all over TD's argument. Reload and fire again.
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your lack of knowledge on this subject is amazing. until McDonald almost every court claimed the second amendment didn't apply to state laws controlling firearms. that's why there was a SPLIT IN THE CIRCUITS that caused the supremes to issue cert
 
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