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NYC Mayor Conducts Gun-Sale Sting in Arizona

I've come to learn that when liberal progressives try and dismiss, downplay, and shrug off accusations, then that usually means that the accusations are right on....


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I've come to learn that when liberal progressives try and dismiss, downplay, and shrug off accusations, then that usually means that the accusations are right on....


j-mac
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:2funny: I guess that helps you dismiss, downplay, and shrug off the point being made.

Thanks for the laugh j. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
:2funny: I guess that helps you dismiss, downplay, and shrug off the point being made.

Thanks for the laugh j. ;)
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Just call em like I see em Joe....the over board laughing is a sign as well....


j-mac
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, it does say well regulated.
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That's well regulated militia.Not well regulated right of the people to keep and bear arms.

Still, the fear has never been appropriate to the actual threat. guns will never be banned in this country, and all sides of the political spectrum understand that. The same fretting has been around since long before I was born. And the actually banning? Zip! Nada! Nothing!
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I am sure that's what loons against the personal ownership of firearms in the UK and Australia said the same thing too.You have nothing to worry about.All we want is just some registrations, permit requirements, those bans on that type of firearm is reasonable and so on.
 
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j-mac said:
WTF! Who in the hell does Bloomberg think he is? He, nor his police force has ANY jurisdiction in AZ what so ever, and these people he sent in to this gun show under false pretense should have been arrested.

When I first heard this reported it was reported that these were NYC police, and in fact the story states "task force", but they also say that they are private investigators....If these are NYC police, then AZ state troopers should be outraged at this.

I can't tell you how this boils my blood.

j-mac
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in many cases the mayor's investigators were in violation of federal and state gun laws. They had no authority to go to a state in which they weren't residents. that is a federal violation for them to buy guns.
 
Captain America said:
You kiddin' me? I got more sports weapons than the Pope's got Catholics. Me and my liberal buddies (as well as my conservative buddies) are a well armed bunch of yahoo's at deer camp. Pretty damn good marksmen too if I do say so myself.

The lib's ain't comin' for your guns folks. (As if you haven't already figured that one out.) You can all come out now. The Wicked Witch is dead. LOL!
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yeah I heard the same thing in England years ago. and in NJ and Kalifornia
 
MaggieD said:
Yes, it would appear that he's reaching; but the ones to call it on him all reside in his home state. I hate gun shows. I think they should be outlawed. So given that, go Bloomberg.
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why? that is idiotic. the laws of a state are no different for a gun show than any other place in a state
 
Captain America said:
You kiddin' me? I got more sports weapons than the Pope's got Catholics. Me and my liberal buddies (as well as my conservative buddies) are a well armed bunch of yahoo's at deer camp. Pretty damn good marksmen too if I do say so myself.

The lib's ain't comin' for your guns folks. (As if you haven't already figured that one out.) You can all come out now. The Wicked Witch is dead. LOL!
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That's what libs want you to believe.You have to be a fool to believe that someone who enacted and or supported anti-2nd amendment laws in their state won't try to do the same thing when he or she is president.Before the Fast and Furious operation came to light they were trying to use Mexicans buying guns from American gun dealers as an excuse to try further infringe on 2nd amendment rights.
 
MaggieD said:
Because I don't think there's adequate oversight. A gun shop would not be selling firearms without appropriate background checks.
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You apparently are ignorant of the law. Gun dealers who have FFLs conduct background checks in their shops or at gunshows. Private citizens don't have to. If you engage in the business of selling firearms and you don't have a license that is a federal felony. The argument that gun show haters use is that since it concentrates lots of private sellers in one area, its easier for a felon to buy a gun from a private seller than saying calling up someone who has a classified ad in the paper.

what they don't mention is that gun shows are full of cops. sometimes up to Half the dealers at gun shows have cops working their tables. Dealers I used to represent had off duty cops doing that job. and if you are a mope chances are you aren't going to go to a place where the guy who busted you might see you engaging in activity that is going to get you hard federal time
 
Utility Man said:
If guns are making their way into NYC from these gun shows then maybe the mayor is doing the right thing.

In some instances the sellers are handing over guns to people who openly say they probably couldn't pass a background check which appears to be a violation of federal law.


Buyer says "That's good about the background check because I probably couldn't pass one", seller: "I don't care...because I wouldn't pass either, bud"

Gunshow Undercover - Arizona
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did you also know that in many cases Bloomberg's butt boys would call up someone who had an ad in a paper or gun listing site and ask the seller to meet him outside a gun show so Bloomberg could whine about the gun show?

Its easy to buy Oxy without a prescription too.
 
MaggieD said:
Because I don't think there's adequate oversight. A gun shop would not be selling firearms without appropriate background checks.
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To how much “oversight” do you believe an American citizen should submit himself in order to exercise a Constitutionally-affirmed and protected right?
 
Utility Man said:


Seller: "The good thing is, though, if you don't like it you can just sell it later and its not in your name like when you buy a new one you have to worry where it's going to end up"

It becomes more obvious why some people feel the need to carry a gun, in some cases they seem to be the ones guaranteeing that there are plenty of weapons available for criminals.

A fella that sells hundreds of guns a year is hardly a collector IMO.
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That guy is, by law, a dealer.
A collector doesn't engage in the business of selling firearms, he's breaking the law.

Instead of poo pooing about private sales and gun shows, they should of turned that guy into the ATF.
 
Boo Radley said:
This claim ahs been made all 53 years of my life. Exactly how many guns are banned now that weren't in 1958?
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Clinton banned hundreds of guns because of how they looked in 1994. The ban included rifles, handguns, and shotguns.
 
Boo Radley said:
Like I said on this, I suspect there is legalities involved. They will be answered. But I suspect, as the article J linked said, this was likely show and not substantive. That makes it meaningless if true.

It's all about the law and not how I feel about guns, which is really very little one way or the other.
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As usual, you post much but say little :shrug: Bloomberg has done this before, it is illegal and violates state and federal laws, so yes, it is about the law, you seem underwhelmed over this egregious serial violation of the US Constitution.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
As usual, you post much but say little :shrug: Bloomberg has done this before, it is illegal and violates state and federal laws, so yes, it is about the law, you seem underwhelmed over this egregious serial violation of the US Constitution.
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If it is about the law, won't the law handle it? (BTW, I said it was about the alw to begin with.)
 
Gill said:
Clinton banned hundreds of guns because of how they looked in 1994. The ban included rifles, handguns, and shotguns.
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Did you own a gun in the 90's? Are those guns banned today? The point is, your guns have not been taken away. There have nearly always been regulations. All the way back to US v Miller, sawed off shots were banned in some places. But, gun ownership remained, and remains constant. All that fretting, meaningless.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
There is a whole list of prohibited guns in numerous states. do you deny this? "owning guns" is too ambiguous, even for you.
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No, I don't deny this, and there has been almost since the begining of the union. What I deny is that you have anything to really fear. Gun ownership has remained constant, and all of the fretting has just been silliness.
 
Boo Radley said:
Did you own a gun in the 90's? Are those guns banned today? The point is, your guns have not been taken away. There have nearly always been regulations. All the way back to US v Miller, sawed off shots were banned in some places. But, gun ownership remained, and remains constant. All that fretting, meaningless.
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If you owned an m14, ar-15, or ak clone before NJ's AWB, then you had to get rid of it, defacto confiscation. I.E. "taken away".
 
Boo Radley said:
No, I don't deny this, and there has been almost since the begining of the union. What I deny is that you have anything to really fear. Gun ownership has remained constant, and all of the fretting has just been silliness.
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It has not remained constant. There are weapons I had to sell in order to be in compliance with NJ law. One day they were legal, the next, not. snobby lecturing, does not mask your ignorance on the matter.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
It has not remained constant. There are weapons I had to sell in order to be in compliance with NJ law. One day they were legal, the next, not. snobby lecturing, does not mask your ignorance on the matter.
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Call it what you will, but you still own a gun or more, right?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
If you owned an m14, ar-15, or ak clone before NJ's AWB, then you had to get rid of it, defacto confiscation. I.E. "taken away".
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Why would I want one? If I wanted to hunt I still can, and if I was so scared that I only felt safe with a gun, I can still have one.
 
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