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Komen Reverses Decision On Funding PP

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nonpareil said:
Yes, and why is that not in the graph?
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Perhaps because your statistics are from 2010 and the graph is from 2008. A pie chart of your statistics would have a larger abortion section and a smaller adoption section.

nonpareil said:
Has the Komen foundation comes out against oral contraceptives as part of its campaign against breast cancer?
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Feel free to consult Komen's website.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
So since full term pregnancies increase the risk of breast cancer, should SGK start funding abortions?
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In reality, American Cancer Society's website states that women who have had no children have a slightly higher breast cancer risk, while having many pregnancies or becoming pregnant at a young age reduces breast cancer risk.
 
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Yea for women everywhere in our country!!!!! :applaud
 
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emdash said:
Perhaps because your statistics are from 2010 and the graph is from 2008. A pie chart of your statistics would have a larger abortion section and a smaller adoption section.
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Wrong. Did Planned Parenthood not provide those services in 2008? No.

Here's 2008: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/fact_ppservices_2010-09-03.pdf



Feel free to consult Komen's website.
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I didn't claim that they should be against oral contraceptives if they want to fight cancer, so no thanks to the goose chase. If they aren't, why should they have a double standard when it comes to Planned Parenthood?
 
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nota bene said:
What, exactly, are you applauding? Yea for being women? For having breast checkups? What?

Planned Parenthood’s 3% lie « Don Surber
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Learn the definition of what a lie means, and also a smear. That piece is a smear, that 3% of the services provided by planned parenthood is abortion is not a lie unless you claim their reports are false. That 10% of the people it served seek abortion does not contradict the fact that 3% of the services it provided is abortion.
 
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the 3% is a.... well, it's an interesting accounting trick. If you go in, they do a check up, give you an abortion, and then hand you some counseling material, then you leave... they count that as three separate services, of which abortion only makes up 33%.

what they don't do is provide mammograms. komen's original move was legit (especially given the whole "under investigation for shielding child sex traffickers" thing), and the hate-storm it inspired (their grant was less than the compensation of PP's president) was... well, indicative of the nature of the movement.

NOW was particularly telling. Those seeking to cure breast cancer are "anti-Woman" if they don't give money to Planned Parenthood? please.
 
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cpwill said:
If you go in, they do a check up, give you an abortion, and then hand you some counseling material, then you leave...
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How long ago did you have your abortion?
 
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emdash said:
The question, as I see it, is not whether Planned Parenthood is a valuable asset to society, but whether Komen's money would accomplish more for breast health somewhere else--perhaps to one of the clinics PP refers women to for mammograms. Planned Parenthood has demonstrated that it would not suffer without the Komen grant, which is actually a very small part of its income, so I fail to see why Komen cannot choose to give the grant to other low-income area healthcare facilities without this public outcry.
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Because this has nothing to do with breast cancer, it has everything to do wtih politically correct politics, I.E. Abortion. You are NOT allowed to diminish the power of Abortion by thought or deed.
 
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emdash said:
In reality, American Cancer Society's website states that women who have had no children have a slightly higher breast cancer risk, while having many pregnancies or becoming pregnant at a young age reduces breast cancer risk.
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In reality, the ACS's website says that full term pregnancy increases breast cancer risk, so again, should SGK start funding abortions?
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
They do breast exams and referrals for mammograms. I don't know why you say, "PP even says...", since it's well known. But their access to low income women countrywide makes them a smart organization to donate to since they guarantee that they'll reach huge numbers of women (most low-income) on their own.
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I stated my thoughts. Their funding would be better spent for care for poor women for things that they can not perform on their own.
 
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Catawba said:
How long ago did you have your abortion?
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i'm sorry - how, again, does that address PP's manipulation of statistics?
 
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cpwill said:
i'm sorry - how, again, does that address PP's manipulation of statistics?
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No, I was asking about how your aborting experience was that you described in the post I responded to.
 
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Catawba said:
No, I was asking about how your aborting experience was that you described in the post I responded to.
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Cpwill - "If you go in, they do a check up, give you an abortion, and then hand you some counseling material, then you leave..."
 
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nonpareil said:
Wrong. Did Planned Parenthood not provide those services in 2008? No.

Here's 2008: I didn't claim that they should b...lanned Parenthood supporters was disgraceful.
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nonpareil said:
If there's no $680K to hire the people for the breast exam or pay for any necessary equipments, there's no people or equipment to do the exam whether the women can pay 91cents or not.
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So . . . a breast exam costs 91 cents, period? It must if you're claiming that there can be no breast exams without SGK's $680K. Is that your claim?

And if so, PP can't take 0.07% from a different part of its operating budget to cover them, if their importance is of such staggering level? That sounds pretty cruel to me.

Never mind that they made up the shortfall in a matter of days.


The anti-Planned Parenthood paranoids. What falsehood have been said about the Komen foundation that it is a "smear campaign"?
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Really? You are THAT uninformed?

Ask Terry O'Neill. Ask the people who hacked SGK's website and posted a link called "Find out why Susan G. Komen hates poor women."
 
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nonpareil said:
The motivation for the post is the same any other posts here, to make a point, whether you got the point or not doesn't negate that.
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Which was?

You addressed it to me, so it would be nice if it had something to do with anything I said.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
In reality, the ACS's website says that full term pregnancy increases breast cancer risk, so again, should SGK start funding abortions?
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In reality, American Cancer Society's website states that women who have had no children have a slightly higher breast cancer risk, while having many pregnancies or becoming pregnant at a young age reduces breast cancer risk.
 
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emdash said:
I'm sorry that you are refusing to understand that the graph depicts pregnancy-related services rendered to pregnant women seeking pregnancy-related services at Planned Parenthood due to pregnancy. Pregnancy tests are irrelevant because not all of the women who have them are pregnant, they are not vital to pregnancy or women's health, and the point of the graph is to show how pregnancy is treated at Planned Parenthood. Now go ahead and freak out about that if you want to, but I'm done talking about it.
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Projecting much? Just pointing out the dishonesty, if you don't want to talk about it, then don't reply.


I have not claimed that Susan G. Komen should be against oral contraceptives, but I will claim now for the record that they should not spend donor money to provide contraceptives, as that is not in the interest of fighting cancer, and I maintain that Komen money would go farther toward the eradication of cancer if given directly to a clinic that provides mammograms rather than to an institution like Planned Parenthood. Regardless, it is Susan G. Komen's decision and I think the response from Planned Parenthood supporters was disgraceful.
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Nor are they using Komen's money for contraceptive at Planned Parenthood, you are the one who is trying to use contraception as an arguement against Planned Parenthood. Why not just come out and say you are against Planned Parenthood, not contraceptive, instead going around the bush.
 
Harshaw said:
So . . . a breast exam costs 91 cents, period? It must if you're claiming that there can be no breast exams without SGK's $680K. Is that your claim?

And if so, PP can't take 0.07% from a different part of its operating budget to cover them, if their importance is of such staggering level? That sounds pretty cruel to me.

Never mind that they made up the shortfall in a matter of days.
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Re-read the thread until you finally get what the post was in reply to.



Really? You are THAT uninformed?

Ask Terry O'Neill. Ask the people who hacked SGK's website and posted a link called "Find out why Susan G. Komen hates poor women."
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So that's your smear campaign? Well get in line, Planned Parenthood get first claim.
 
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Harshaw said:
Which was?

You addressed it to me, so it would be nice if it had something to do with anything I said.
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You talked about legitimate choice, didn't you? Seriously, just read what you wrote, if you don't understand, re-read the thread again and again until you do. It's the second time you make ignorant implications which could be easily avoided by reading the thread carefully.
 
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Catawba said:
Cpwill - "If you go in, they do a check up, give you an abortion, and then hand you some counseling material, then you leave..."
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How do you know if the general facts differ here from what has been claimed?

If you're going to play this game, why don't you tell everybody your own abortion experience? Do you have to have walked into a clinic yourself?

If so, have you?

Oh, and have you ever been pregnant, or is your own opinon second-hand too?
 
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nonpareil said:
You talked about legitimate choice, didn't you? Seriously, just read what you wrote, if you don't understand, re-read the thread again and again until you do. It's the second time you make ignorant implications which could be easily avoided by reading the thread carefully.
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OK, you're just babbling incoherently.
 
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cpwill said:
the 3% is a.... well, it's an interesting accounting trick. If you go in, they do a check up, give you an abortion, and then hand you some counseling material, then you leave... they count that as three separate services, of which abortion only makes up 33%.

what they don't do is provide mammograms. komen's original move was legit (especially given the whole "under investigation for shielding child sex traffickers" thing), and the hate-storm it inspired (their grant was less than the compensation of PP's president) was... well, indicative of the nature of the movement.

NOW was particularly telling. Those seeking to cure breast cancer are "anti-Woman" if they don't give money to Planned Parenthood? please.
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Maybe people need to learn to ask the right questions. Is Planned Parenthood's report any different from any other clinics? Did Planned Parenthood try to hide any information?
 
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