US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

Conservative · Feb 26, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
It's neither amazing nor hypocritical. The difference between the two, which you are incapable of understanding, is that most of Bush's record is a direct reflection of his policies, which wrecked our economy; whereas most of Obama's record is a reflection of trying to overcome the Great Bush Recession.

And of course the Obama record which is worse than Bush's isn't a direct reflection on his policies? Bush didn't wreck the economy and Bush didn't take office in January 2008 either. I will take the 8 year average for Bush over Obama's three year average or if you want, the last year, 2011 numbers. Just goes to show how brainwashed liberals are.

Donc · Feb 26, 2012

Conservative said:
And of course the Obama record which is worse than Bush's isn't a direct reflection on his policies? Bush didn't wreck the economy and Bush didn't take office in January 2008 either. I will take the 8 year average for Bush over Obama's three year average or if you want, the last year, 2011 numbers. Just goes to show how brainwashed liberals are.

How about comparing the last three years of the bush record to the first three of Obamas. Don't you think that would be more realistic than comparing an eight year Presidency to a three year one?

j-mac · Feb 26, 2012

treedancer said:
How about comparing the last three years of the bush record to the first three of Obamas. Don't you think that would be more realistic than comparing an eight year Presidency to a three year one?

Nope...If you want apples to apples compare the first three, to the first three...Or better yet, compare the first three of Reagan, to the first three of Obama.

j-mac

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 26, 2012

j-mac said:
Nope...If you want apples to apples compare the first three, to the first three...Or better yet, compare the first three of Reagan, to the first three of Obama.

j-mac

If you were truly interested in apples to apples, you would be comparing Obama with FDR; since those are the only two presidents to inherit a wrecked economy. Neither Bush nor Reagan took over an economy like the one Obama took over 3 years ago.

j-mac · Feb 26, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
If you were truly interested in apples to apples, you would be comparing Obama with FDR; since those are the only two presidents to inherit a wrecked economy. Neither Bush nor Reagan took over an economy like the one Obama took over 3 years ago.

Not true...Carter's economy was probably the closest to what Barry took over. But if you want to compare FDR, the man that turned what should have been a 3 year recession into a full blown 10 year depression, go ahead.

j-mac

Donc · Feb 26, 2012

j-mac said:
Nope...If you want apples to apples compare the first three, to the first three...Or better yet, compare the first three of Reagan, to the first three of Obama.

j-mac

OK. :2wave: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Bush

Jan of 2001=132466

Jan of 2004=130421 total –2045

Obama

Jan of 2009=133561

Jan of 2012=132409 total-1152

j-mac · Feb 26, 2012

treedancer said:
OK. :2wave: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Bush

Jan of 2001=132466

Jan of 2004=130421 total –2045

Obama

Jan of 2009=133561

Jan of 2012=132409 total-1152

Ok, so that is it for you? Well, let me just say to the Mods....Stop all threads, to all conservatives, stop opposing the Messiah Obama and get down on your knees...Lord Barry is such a whopping success that there are no abandoned shopping strip malls, no closed business everywhere, no increased roles of food stamps, unemployment roles, disability, discouraged workers, and alike....My god, I had NO idea everything was so damned good.

j-mac

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 26, 2012

j-mac said:
Not true...Carter's economy was probably the closest to what Barry took over. But if you want to compare FDR, the man that turned what should have been a 3 year recession into a full blown 10 year depression, go ahead.

j-mac

Umm, Carter's economy created 10 million jobs in 4 years along with 13.5% growth in GDP. The economy Reagan took over wasn't even in recession. You would have to be insane to compare the economy Obama took over with the economy Reagan took over.

As far as FDR, the Great Depression was full blown by the time FDR became president and the unemployment rate fell every year under him except for 1 until the depression ended.

Fletch · Feb 26, 2012

treedancer said:
OK. :2wave: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Bush

Jan of 2001=132466

Jan of 2004=130421 total –2045

Obama

Jan of 2009=133561

Jan of 2012=132409 total-1152

Liberals generally consider Bush to be one of the nations worst presidents, so it is funny to have them compare Obama to Bush. I guess that makes Obama the second worst president in US history. You liberals sure shoot for the moon dont you.

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 26, 2012

Fletch said:
Liberals generally consider Bush to be one of the nations worst presidents, so it is funny to have them compare Obama to Bush. I guess that makes Obama the second worst president in US history. You liberals sure shoot for the moon dont you.

Compare Obama against all Republican presidents when it comes to increasing/decreasing unemployment for their first 36 months in office ...

Nixon	+2.4	+71%
Eisenhower	+1.1	+38%
Ford*	+2.0	+36%
Bush	+1.5	+36%
GHW Bush	+1.9	+35%
Reagan	+0.5	+7%
Obama	+0.5	+6%
Kennedy*	-1.2	-14%
Carter	-1.2	-16%
Clinton	-1.7	-23%
Johnson	-2.1	-37%

* = Kennedy was in office 34 months
* = Ford was in office 29 months

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Conservative · Feb 26, 2012

treedancer said:
How about comparing the last three years of the bush record to the first three of Obamas. Don't you think that would be more realistic than comparing an eight year Presidency to a three year one?

Only if you believe the biggest attack on the U.S. soil allowed for an accurate comparison. The Obama economic policies have made the recovery we have today the worse in modern history and the recession he claimed he inherited wasn't as bad as the recession Reagan had and Reagan showed the leadership that Obama lacks. You never heard Reagan talking about taxing one class over another but instead promoted the greatness of America. Obama doesn't have a clue nor do his supporters.

Conservative · Feb 26, 2012

treedancer said:
OK. :2wave: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Bush

Jan of 2001=132466

Jan of 2004=130421 total –2045

Obama

Jan of 2009=133561

Jan of 2012=132409 total-1152

Do you have any clue as to what you are posting? Here are the employment numbers for Bush his first three years

2001 137778
2002 135701
2003 137417
2004 138472

Here are Obama's

2009 142187
2010 138500
2011 139330
2012 141637

You were saying?

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands

Conservative · Feb 26, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Compare Obama against all Republican presidents when it comes to increasing/decreasing unemployment for their first 36 months in office ...

Nixon +2.4 +71%
Eisenhower +1.1 +38%
Ford* +2.0 +36%
Bush +1.5 +36%
GHW Bush +1.9 +35%
Reagan +0.5 +7%
Obama +0.5 +6%
Kennedy* -1.2 -14%
Carter -1.2 -16%
Clinton -1.7 -23%
Johnson -2.1 -37%

* = Kennedy was in office 34 months
* = Ford was in office 29 months

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

I am sure those 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans are very impressed by your percentage change.Is that liberal compassion in your world? Is it true that Obama is the second worst President in U.S. History in your world?

pbrauer · Feb 26, 2012

j-mac said:
Not true...Carter's economy was probably the closest to what Barry took over. But if you want to compare FDR, the man that turned what should have been a 3 year recession into a full blown 10 year depression, go ahead.

j-mac

In just 4 years of Carter 18.4 million jobs were created:

Year	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Annual
1977	244	295	404	339	359	399	348	238	458	262	379	235	5937
1978	187	353	513	702	346	442	254	276	137	336	437	283	6244
1979	137	243	426	-62	372	318	106	82	27	157	94	95	3974
1980	131	79	112	-145	-431	-320	-263	260	113	280	256	195	2247
													18402

Donc · Feb 26, 2012

Conservative said:
Do you have any clue as to what you are posting? Here are the employment numbers for Bush his first three years

2001 137778
2002 135701
2003 137417
2004 138472

Here are Obama's

2009 142187
2010 138500
2011 139330
2012 141637

You were saying?

try this one.

Series Id: CES0000000001

Seasonally Adjusted

Super Sector: Total nonfarm

Industry: Total nonfarm

Edited to add graph for con to peer at.

Donc · Feb 26, 2012

Conservative said:
Only if you believe the biggest attack on the U.S. soil allowed for an accurate comparison. The Obama economic policies have made the recovery we have today the worse in modern history and the recession he claimed he inherited wasn't as bad as the recession Reagan had and Reagan showed the leadership that Obama lacks. You never heard Reagan talking about taxing one class over another but instead promoted the greatness of America. Obama doesn't have a clue nor do his supporters.

Moving the goalpost yet again eh?:roll:

Conservative · Feb 26, 2012

treedancer said:
try this one.

Series Id: CES0000000001

Seasonally Adjusted

Super Sector: Total nonfarm

Industry: Total nonfarm

Edited to add graph for con to peer at.

View attachment 67123022

Does it make sense to you that there were 132 million employed in your report and 138 in the report I listed. Don't you think 130 million sounds low?

Conservative · Feb 26, 2012

treedancer said:
Moving the goalpost yet again eh?:roll:

Only if you think the killing of 3000 Americans didn't affect the economy and employment/unemployment. You seem so desparate to get a win for Obama that you don't even know what numbers you posted.

Conservative · Feb 26, 2012

pbrauer said:
In just 4 years of Carter 18.4 million jobs were created:

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1977 244 295 404 339 359 399 348 238 458 262 379 235 5937
1978 187 353 513 702 346 442 254 276 137 336 437 283 6244
1979 137 243 426 -62 372 318 106 82 27 157 94 95 3974
1980 131 79 112 -145 -431 -320 -263 260 113 280 256 195 2247
18402

Wow, we have to go back to Carter and in doing so you are making Obama look worse than the worst President in modern history. Seems like you have a problem with net and gross. Get someone to explain them to you.

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 26, 2012

Conservative said:
Only if you believe the biggest attack on the U.S. soil allowed for an accurate comparison. The Obama economic policies have made the recovery we have today the worse in modern history and the recession he claimed he inherited wasn't as bad as the recession Reagan had and Reagan showed the leadership that Obama lacks. You never heard Reagan talking about taxing one class over another but instead promoted the greatness of America. Obama doesn't have a clue nor do his supporters.

Only a nut would claim Reagan's recession was worse. The two leading indicators of the economy are GDP and unemployment and both were far worse during Bush's Great Recession.

GDP:
Q2-1981: 5,952.7
Q4-1982: 5,866.0
Reagan: -1.5% growth

Q4-2007: 13,326.0
Q2-2009: 12,641.3
Bush: -5.1% growth

http://www.bea.gov/national/xls/gdplev.xls

Unemployment:
06/1981: 8,098,000
11/1982: 11,938,000
Reagan: 3,840,000 additional unemployed (A 47% increase)

12/2007: 8,989,000
06/2009: 16,903,000
Bush: 7,914,000 additional unemployed (An 88% increase)

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 26, 2012

Conservative said:
Only if you believe the biggest attack on the U.S. soil allowed for an accurate comparison. The Obama economic policies have made the recovery we have today the worse in modern history and the recession he claimed he inherited wasn't as bad as the recession Reagan had and Reagan showed the leadership that Obama lacks. You never heard Reagan talking about taxing one class over another but instead promoted the greatness of America. Obama doesn't have a clue nor do his supporters.

Riiight ... that attack did so much damage [not] to our economy, that the recession we were in at the time ended just two months later.

:roll::roll::roll:

Donc · Feb 26, 2012

Conservative said:
Does it make sense to you that there were 132 million employed in your report and 138 in the report I listed. Don't you think 130 million sounds low?

NO IT DON'T. Total nonfarm gives a more complete idea of employment of this COUNTRY.It seems that you cherry pick any data that agrees with whatever you are attempting to prove at the moment.And sometimes that changes from thread to thread, as Sheik has proven time and again.

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 26, 2012

Conservative said:
I am sure those 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans are very impressed by your percentage change.Is that liberal compassion in your world? Is it true that Obama is the second worst President in U.S. History in your world?

Since when do you care about the underemployed, Con?? For Bush's eight years and including his Great Recession, there were 15 million additional un/under-employed. You didn't care about them then.

For Obama's 3 years and including Bush's Great Recession under his watch, there are an additional 1.4 million un/under-employed.

Bush loses 10 times the number of people Obama lost to un/under-employment...

Conservative: "Bush! 4 more years!!"

Conservative: "Anybody but Obama!!"

Conservative · Feb 26, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Only a nut would claim Reagan's recession was worse. The two leading indicators of the economy are GDP and unemployment and both were far worse during Bush's Great Recession.

GDP:
Q2-1981: 5,952.7
Q4-1982: 5,866.0
Reagan: -1.5% growth

Q4-2007: 13,326.0
Q2-2009: 12,641.3
Bush: -5.1% growth

http://www.bea.gov/national/xls/gdplev.xls

Unemployment:
06/1981: 8,098,000
11/1982: 11,938,000
Reagan: 3,840,000 additional unemployed (A 47% increase)

12/2007: 8,989,000
06/2009: 16,903,000
Bush: 7,914,000 additional unemployed (An 88% increase)

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Unless you can tell me the economic plan that Reagan had that put us in a recession that Carter economy really sucked didn't it? Still waiting for you to answer my question about Obama's numbers being worse than Carter's and since Carter is considered the worst President in modern history what does that say then about Obama? Apparently the American people don't have the same opinion as you do regarding the Obama economic results and are more in line with reality

Obama won the election with 52% of the vote and today his approval rating is 44%. What do those 8% see that you don't?

Gallup 2/23 - 2/25 1500 A 44 46 -2

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 26, 2012

Conservative said:
Does it make sense to you that there were 132 million employed in your report and 138 in the report I listed. Don't you think 130 million sounds low?

Yes, that's how many non-farm people were on payrolls.

Now ya know.