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US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

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Hey Winston, your website gave me a virus.
 
misterman said:
But you're a mindless liberal Obama puppet who doesn't think! Conservative said so.
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File this in the, "never believe anything Conservative says," cabinet. :cool:
 
misterman said:
Oh, give it up already. It's tired.
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I see, only liberals can ask someone to prove a statement? You actually believe that GM/Chrysler going out of business would have destroyed the auto business? no one would have been there to take them over? Is GM/Chrysler THE auto business? How many GM Dealerships went out of business when Obama took over GM?
 
Dickieboy said:
What I miss is that GWB got RAILED for passing it but now BHO is lavish in his praise for HIS efforts in the results.
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When and if you find someone who "railed" Bush for it but now praises Obama for it, be sure to let them know you don't appreciate the inconsistency.
 
Conservative said:
I see, only liberals can ask someone to prove a statement? You actually believe that GM/Chrysler going out of business would have destroyed the auto business? no one would have been there to take them over? Is GM/Chrysler THE auto business? How many GM Dealerships went out of business when Obama took over GM?
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You're playing stupid quibble games. The auto industry is MUCH better off with the bailout than it would have been without it, and so is employment, and you just want to jump on every little word to play these semantic games to avoid admitting that fact. As usual. You're giving your client a vigorous defense, like any defense attorney, even if you have to look ridiculous in the process.
 
misterman said:
You're playing stupid quibble games. The auto industry is MUCH better off with the bailout than it would have been without it, and so is employment, and you just want to jump on every little word to play these semantic games to avoid admitting that fact. As usual. You're giving your client a vigorous defense, like any defense attorney, even if you have to look ridiculous in the process.
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Free enterprise and capitalism are foreign concepts to people like you. You have no idea what would have happened and only speculate with a liberal slant
 
Conservative said:
Free enterprise and capitalism are foreign concepts to people like you.
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You're ridiculous.

I understand and support free enterprise and capitalism.

Meanwhile, if a bailout of GM and Chrysler was anti-free enterprise, then GM and Chrysler and Bush are all anti-free enterprise too, huh?

You have no idea what would have happened and only speculate with a liberal slant
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You're busy speculating with a conservative slant.
 
misterman said:
You're ridiculous.

I understand and support free enterprise and capitalism.

Meanwhile, if a bailout of GM and Chrysler was anti-free enterprise, then GM and Chrysler and Bush are all anti-free enterprise too, huh?



You're busy speculating with a conservative slant.
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That is because the conservative slant works, I didn't support TARP or the bailout of GM/Chrysler. I am for letting the markets work and they always have. Yes, there are going to be failures but trying to legislate equal outcome is always going to be a failure. Fail forward is always preferable to a govt. bailout
 
misterman said:
You're playing stupid quibble games. The auto industry is MUCH better off with the bailout than it would have been without it, and so is employment, and you just want to jump on every little word to play these semantic games to avoid admitting that fact. As usual. You're giving your client a vigorous defense, like any defense attorney, even if you have to look ridiculous in the process.
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Same goes for the financial industry. Thanks Bush! :clap:
 
Conservative said:
That is because the conservative slant works,
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That's a goofy circular argument.

Which, now that I think about it, ought to be your screen name. "Goofy Circular Argument."

I didn't support TARP or the bailout of GM/Chrysler.
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So you disagreed with Bush on something. Wow.

I am for letting the markets work and they always have.
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That philosophy is what got us into this horrible mess that nearly brought our entire financial system to collapse - and would have if Bush hadn't done something. Letting the bank system collapse would have caused a deep, long depression, probably as bad as the Great Depression.

Yes, there are going to be failures but trying to legislate equal outcome is always going to be a failure. Fail forward is always preferable to a govt. bailout
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No it's not. That's ridiculous.
 
misterman said:
When and if you find someone who "railed" Bush for it but now praises Obama for it, be sure to let them know you don't appreciate the inconsistency.
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I have and I will...thanks :mrgreen:
 
misterman said:
That's a goofy circular argument.

Which, now that I think about it, ought to be your screen name. "Goofy Circular Argument."

So you disagreed with Bush on something. Wow.



That philosophy is what got us into this horrible mess that nearly brought our entire financial system to collapse - and would have if Bush hadn't done something. Letting the bank system collapse would have caused a deep, long depression, probably as bad as the Great Depression.



No it's not. That's ridiculous.
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Spoken like that good 'little" liberal that you really are. You have no idea what would have happened had TARP not been passed just like you ignore the banks that were forced to take TARP money but weren't in bad shape, Chase and Wells Fargo for two, and the fact that most of TARP has been repaid and was repaid quickly in 2009 indicating that things weren't nearly as bad as you or other liberals want to claim. The philosophy of a liberal seems to be if you have regulations that aren't working or aren't being enforced create new ones so it seems like you are doing something. You and others like you buy the rhetoric
 
Dickieboy said:
Errr, what? Not that I agreed with it but didn't GWB propose and pass TARP? Weren't the initial auto 'bailouts' included in TARP? And, yes, I know BHO extended it. What I miss is that GWB got RAILED for passing it but now BHO is lavish in his praise for HIS efforts in the results.
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Once again an attempt at derailing a thread by Ricard Noggin.:2wave:

What’s your take on the point that I was making to conservative? The point being that the Obama administration saved at least three million jobs,while saving the American Auto Industry tied to said loans?

I admit that tarp was started in the fall of 2008; where it was tied into knots that around the necks of the United Auto Workers Unions, for loans that weren’t required of the banks(Bank of America ,Well Fargo)insurance(AIG) etc al that created the recession. Sooo…I will admit, bush managed to kick the can down the road before he left office.
 
treedancer said:
Once again an attempt at derailing a thread by Ricard Noggin.:2wave:

What’s your take on the point that I was making to conservative? The point being that the Obama administration saved at least three million jobs,while saving the American Auto Industry tied to said loans?

I admit that tarp was started in the fall of 2008; where it was tied into knots that around the necks of the United Auto Workers Unions, for loans that weren’t required of the banks(Bank of America ,Well Fargo)insurance(AIG) etc al that created the recession. Sooo…I will admit, bush managed to kick the can down the road before he left office.
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GM doesn't employ three million people but what Obama did was give money to the states so they could bailout union contracts without going to the people of the state to get the money. in other words it was nothing more than a union bailout and there is no proof that any jobs were saved by TARP that couldn't have been saved by the states themselves. Obama knew that the states wouldn't do it because those union jobs were on the line and if the states had to explain that to the electorate those unions would have been forced to take major cuts
 
Conservative said:
Spoken like that good 'little" liberal that you really are.
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No, actually, I'm not. But you can't resist blabbing that around because it's all you've got.

You have no idea what would have happened had TARP not been passed
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And you do?
 
misterman said:
No, actually, I'm not. But you can't resist blabbing that around because it's all you've got.



And you do?
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It would help if you were a little less caustic in your response and stop with the baiting. I do believe that i do know what would have happened without TARP, union contracts wouldn't have been bailed out, states would have had to come up with their own funding, some businesses would have failed and others would have taken them over and none of that would have been on the taxpayer dime. The fact that the largest banks were forced into TARP is quite telling

Documents Reveal How Paulson Forced Banks To Take TARP Cash - Business Insider
 
treedancer said:
Once again an attempt at derailing a thread by Ricard Noggin.:2wave:

What’s your take on the point that I was making to conservative? The point being that the Obama administration saved at least three million jobs,while saving the American Auto Industry tied to said loans?

I admit that tarp was started in the fall of 2008; where it was tied into knots that around the necks of the United Auto Workers Unions, for loans that weren’t required of the banks(Bank of America ,Well Fargo)insurance(AIG) etc al that created the recession. Sooo…I will admit, bush managed to kick the can down the road before he left office.
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How was I trying to derail the thread?

What does this mean 'where it was tied into knots that around the necks of the United Auto Workers Unions, '?
 
Conservative said:
It would help if you were a little less caustic in your response and stop with the baiting.
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Says the guy who CONSTANTLY baits, usually using the word "liberal."

I do believe that i do know what would have happened without TARP,
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So how come you can know but I can't? You said I have no idea what would have happened. Neither do you.
 
Conservative said:
GM doesn't employ three million people but what Obama did was give money to the states so they could bailout union contracts without going to the people of the state to get the money. in other words it was nothing more than a union bailout and there is no proof that any jobs were saved by TARP that couldn't have been saved by the states themselves. Obama knew that the states wouldn't do it because those union jobs were on the line and if the states had to explain that to the electorate those unions would have been forced to take major cuts
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Well there must be some proof, after all, you did claim that each job cost us $228,000.
 
misterman said:
Says the guy who CONSTANTLY baits, usually using the word "liberal."



So how come you can know but I can't? You said I have no idea what would have happened. Neither do you.
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Ok really? They would have filed for bankruptcy re-organization. Pretty much everyone knows this.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Ok really? They would have filed for bankruptcy re-organization. Pretty much everyone knows this.
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The auto companies? Err, they DID file for bankruptcy WITH the bailout.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Ok really? They would have filed for bankruptcy re-organization. Pretty much everyone knows this.
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And then what would have happened to the economy in general?

Do you know the difference between Chapter 11 and Chapter 7?
 
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Conservative said:
It would help if you were a little less caustic in your response and stop with the baiting.
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By the way, of all the hypocritical, hilarious things you've said, this is the best one so far.
 
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