US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

misterman · Feb 7, 2012

Dickieboy said:
Sorry, I don't understand.

Just noting that it's logical to compare Obama's situation with FDR inheriting the depression from Hoover, but now that Obama's at the end of his term, it's interesting to see how that turned out in 1936, when the public were judging FDR's job in fixing it, and whether the public assigned blame to FDR for the rate of progress.

misterman · Feb 7, 2012

Conservative said:
You have this obsession with Bush and what he did yet totally ignore the actual data which is much, much better than Obama's in many areas.

You have to look at where each started and where they ended though.

Further Bush didn't promote massive expansion of the govt. preferring instead to let the private sector work.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Sure.

Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

misterman said:
You have to look at where each started and where they ended though.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Sure.

I have looked at where we started and see the numbers worse today than when he started showing that maybe we don't need Obama or maybe any other President if this is the best the Executive Branch can do. He made things worse and this is the worst recovery since the Great Depression all because of liberalism and lack of understanding as to how our private sector economy works. What really is interesting is how people like you point to how bad things were ignoring that things aren't a lot better today when you factor in the discouraged workers and people dropping out of the labor force. continue to buy the Obama rhetoric but the question is why?

misterman · Feb 7, 2012

Conservative said:
I have looked at where we started and see the numbers worse today than when he started

Which numbers?

EDIT:

Here's an interesting comparison of total spending under Bush vs. Obama.

http://www.njdc.org/blog/post/Newspending072511

It shows that in two terms, spending went up alot more than twice what spending has been in Obama's one term.

Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

misterman said:
Which numbers?

Employment, unemployment, labor force, misery index, debt and then there is crony capitalism, green energy failures, take over of GM/Chrysler then selling Chysler to Italy, number below poverty level, and Obamacare. Then outside the numbers is the worse GDP growth in 2011 than 2011

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Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

misterman said:
Which numbers?

EDIT:

Here's an interesting comparison of total spending under Bush vs. Obama.

New Spending under Bush vs. Obama: Results are Staggering | NJDC Blog

It shows that in two terms, spending went up alot more than twice what spending has been in Obama's one term.

I know you are smarter than this but to compare actual spending with projected spending and then use July 2011 analysis is an embarassment for even you. Obama budgets are significantly higher than Bush budgets and he has added 4.6 trillion since taking office with another 1.1 trillion projected for 2012. Bush added 4.9 trillion in 8 years

New Spending under Bush vs. Obama: Results are Staggering
Jason Attermann — July 25, 2011

In addition it is hard to take anyone serious who calls a tax cut an expense.

Bush’s tax cuts amounted to $1.812 trillion, compared to Obama’s stimulus tax cuts amounting to a projected $425 billion.

misterman · Feb 7, 2012

Conservative said:
Employment, unemployment...

Doing much better since Bush left us.

debt

Much more spending under Bush. Debt caused mostly by revenue losses due to the recession.

and then there is crony capitalism,

Um, yeah, don't event try.

green energy failures, take over of GM/Chrysler then selling Chysler to Italy, number below poverty level, and Obamacare.

None of those are numbers.

Then outside the numbers is the worse GDP growth in 2011 than 2011

Wut?

Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

misterman said:
Doing much better since Bush left us.

Much more spending under Bush. Debt caused mostly by revenue losses due to the recession.

Um, yeah, don't event try.

None of those are numbers.

Wut?

So let me see if I have this right, you believe you keeping more of your money is an expense to the govt? Are you on the govt. payroll? Nice spin and love how projections trump reality. The numbers I posted are actual and I don't count you keeping more of what you earn an expense to the taxpayers. You, on the other hand add in projections as if they are factual. Keep believing the obama rhetoric and what you want to believe.

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 7, 2012

Conservative said:
looking at the obama results the field shouldn't matter. Anyone of those "clowns" should be given the opportunity since Obama has failed.

I find it rather peculiar that you were so resistant to applying that same logic during the 2004 election?

Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
I find it rather peculiar that you were so resistant to applying that same logic during the 2004 election?

Regardless of the logic I used, you keep saying I was wrong but now you are going to make the same "mistake" as you claim I made. That logical to you?

Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

Liberals/Obama supporters, here are the expense items in the Federal Budget. Someone please show me where tax cuts are listed as an expense item like you liberals want to claim?

Expenses

Defense
International Affairs
Gen. Science, Space
Energy
Natural resources/env
Agriculture
Commerce
Transportation
Community Dev
Education/Train/Social
Health
Medicare
Income Security
Social Security
Veterans Benefits
Justice
General Govt.
Net Interest

misterman · Feb 7, 2012

Conservative said:
So let me see if I have this right, you believe you keeping more of your money is an expense to the govt?

It is when you're comparing two different presidents' impact on the debt.

liblady · Feb 7, 2012

Conservative said:
Liberals/Obama supporters, here are the expense items in the Federal Budget. Someone please show me where tax cuts are listed as an expense item like you liberals want to claim?

Expenses

Defense
International Affairs
Gen. Science, Space
Energy
Natural resources/env
Agriculture
Commerce
Transportation
Community Dev
Education/Train/Social
Health
Medicare
Income Security
Social Security
Veterans Benefits
Justice
General Govt.
Net Interest

why do you waste bandwidth with stupid arguments like this? you know that revenue decreases have the same net effect that expense increases do.

misterman · Feb 7, 2012

liblady said:
why do you waste bandwidth with stupid arguments like this? you know that revenue decreases have the same net effect that expense increases do.

He starts with the basic assumption that HE IS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING and works from there.

Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

misterman said:
It is when you're comparing two different presidents' impact on the debt.

No, you keeping more of what you earn is never an expense to the govt. regardless of the President.

Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

liblady said:
why do you waste bandwidth with stupid arguments like this? you know that revenue decreases have the same net effect that expense increases do.

A couple problems first there was no revenue decrease and second if you get less money you spend less, simple logic and common sense except to a liberal. I posted the line items of the budget which doesn't show tax cuts as a line item expense. Tell me when your husband got a pay cut was that an expense to you? What did you do when you got less spendable income because your taxes went up?

Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

misterman said:
He starts with the basic assumption that HE IS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING and works from there.

I don't post projections as actual fact to compare against actual results. You were caught and made a fool of yourself, carry on

Sheik Yerbuti · Feb 7, 2012

Conservative said:
Regardless of the logic I used, you keep saying I was wrong but now you are going to make the same "mistake" as you claim I made. That logical to you?

That would be strawman logic sonce it's not grpunded in reality. a) As I have told you repeatedly, I will not decide for whom to vote until the election nears; and b) if I vote for Obama, it will be because I feel he's doing a good job, and most certainly, a bteer job than Bush.

misterman · Feb 7, 2012

Conservative said:
No, you keeping more of what you earn is never an expense to the govt. regardless of the President.

This isn't measuring what you keep.

misterman · Feb 7, 2012

Conservative said:
I don't post projections as actual fact to compare against actual results.

Me neither.

Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
That would be strawman logic sonce it's not grpunded in reality. a) As I have told you repeatedly, I will not decide for whom to vote until the election nears; and b) if I vote for Obama, it will be because I feel he's doing a good job, and most certainly, a bteer job than Bush.

But Bush isn't on the ballot so whether or not he is doing a better job than Bush is irrelevant. The numbers at the end of 2012 will be compared against the Bush numbers in 2004 and all indications are that they will be worse in many areas including GDP growth, unemployment, labor force, employment, misery index, debt. not sure what you will use as a standard but doubt it will be credible or accurate

Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

misterman said:
Me neither.

Then you have no idea what you posted because when you compare against Bush you used the 2017 projections for Obama against the actual results for Bush. Anyone that claims Obama is going to spend less than Bush is out of touch with reality. You made a mistake, let's see if you can admit it

Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

misterman said:
This isn't measuring what you keep.

Revenue which income is isn't an expense to anyone. It may be more or it may be less but basic accounting which obviously you never took would never claim that keeping more of your money is an expense to anyone.

misterman · Feb 7, 2012

Conservative said:
Then you have no idea what you posted because when you compare against Bush you used the 2017 projections for Obama against the actual results for Bush. Anyone that claims Obama is going to spend less than Bush is out of touch with reality. You made a mistake, let's see if you can admit it

Ah, I see what you mean now.

That makes my argument even better! It means the math favors me even more.

But if you only want actual results, I'll be glad to wait until the end of Obama's second term.

Conservative · Feb 7, 2012

misterman said:
Ah, I see what you mean now.

That makes my argument even better! It means the math favors me even more.

But if you only want actual results, I'll be glad to wait until the end of Obama's second term.

Just as I thought, you cannot admit when you are wrong. The results today are worse than Bush's and I gave you the categories. Carry on, making a fool of yourself.

US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

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