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US economy creates 243,000 jobs in January

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misterman said:
You're right! He starts with the assumption that anything that fits into "conservative" is right, and goes from there. Just like a religion.
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And any failures of Conservative immediately get labeled as "Liberal." To him, Conservatism is infallible like G-d.
 
I'm so god**** sick of talking about our debt as a partisan issue. "The Bush Years," Obama's spending, bla bla bla. Everyone is happy to blame Presidents when they don't like them, or Congress when they do. It's getting a wee bit obnoxious.

The issue is, should more federal money be spent on whatever-the-****, or should less?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
The improving unemployment began even before the do nothing Congress took over last years. The improvement began right after Obama passed his stimulus package...
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That must be why the unemployment rate went up, after Obama took office.

You can't kill jobs and claim to be fixing unemployment. How many times does that have to be posted?
 
Neomalthusian said:
I'm so god**** sick of talking about our debt as a partisan issue. "The Bush Years," Obama's spending, bla bla bla. Everyone is happy to blame Presidents when they don't like them, or Congress when they do. It's getting a wee bit obnoxious.

The issue is, should more federal money be spent on whatever-the-****, or should less?
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Right you are.Cuts in expenses along with a tax increase will do the job.Wonder why congress don't think of that.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
The falling red part (which represents some 4 million jobs lost) means nothing to righties.

The fact that the blue part began improving after Obama's stimulus plan was passed also means nothing to them.

And their biggest complaint is that Obama has yet to [completely] gain back the roughly 4 million jobs lost on his watch due to Bush's Great Recession.
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Who was running Congress during the period that the red lines dropped?
 
treedancer said:
Right you are.Cuts in expenses along with a tax increase will do the job.Wonder why congress don't think of that.
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Increasing tax revenues is important, and how to do that is a complex issue. It's not as easy as just raising tax rates.

Cutting expenses is easy in theory, but politically difficult. How much would you cut and from what programs?

The kinds of things I would do would get me shot, at worst, or voted out of office at best. I think the real solutions out there are extremely unpopular, even and especially with voters.
 
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Neomalthusian said:
Increasing tax revenues is important, and how to do that is a complex issue. It's not as easy as just raising tax rates.

Cutting expenses is easy in theory, but politically difficult. How much would you cut and from what programs?

The kinds of things I would do would get me shot, at worst, or voted out of office at best. I think the real solutions out there are extremely unpopular, even and especially with voters.
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WELL!! Its good of you to ask.We start by closing about half of our military bases in Europe while letting the bush tax cuts expire and go from there.:2wave:
 
treedancer said:
WELL!! Its good of you to ask.We start by closing about half of our military bases in Europe while letting the bush tax cuts expire and go from there.:2wave:
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How about the government stop stifling private sector job creation and see what happens, first?

If everyone is working and making money, they won't pay any attention to tax increases and the job market will be able to absorb all those discharged military personel who are in the civilian world looking for a job.

Wait...your're right...that would make way too much sense.
 
treedancer said:
WELL!! Its good of you to ask.We start by closing about half of our military bases in Europe while letting the bush tax cuts expire and go from there.:2wave:
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You're not also concerned about the unfunded nature of Medicare looking forward?

You wouldn't change anything about Social Security, income security programs, Medicaid, etc.?

Personally I feel the concern about unfunded liabilities is pretty well founded, and there is no doubt in my mind that Defense, while bloated and desperately needing to be cut, will be enough to compensate for the funding problems in our massive and growing entitlement programs.
 
misterman said:
How many times does it have to be posted?

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It doesn't do what you think, because it shows the trend reversing just as Obama took office -- i.e., before Obama had done anything to affect it.
 
apdst said:
How about the government stop stifling private sector job creation and see what happens, first?

If everyone is working and making money, they won't pay any attention to tax increases and the job market will be able to absorb all those discharged military personel who are in the civilian world looking for a job.

Wait...your're right...that would make way too much sense.
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Can you articulate specifically how the government is stifling business and provide evidence to support it?

Harshaw said:
It doesn't do what you think, because it shows the trend reversing just as Obama took office -- i.e., before Obama had done anything to affect it.
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Almost as if the president is not personally responsible for everything that occurs in an economy as large as ours!
 
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Harshaw said:
It doesn't do what you think, because it shows the trend reversing just as Obama took office -- i.e., before Obama had done anything to affect it.
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Yeah, but Obama is so awesome, his mere presence caused things to start improving.
 
Deuce said:
Can you articulate specifically how the government is stifling business and provide evidence to support it?
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The drilling moratorium.

Obamacare.

Dodd-Frank Act.

Threats of raising taxes on corporations.

Constant threats of more government regulations that will create more overhead for corporations.

Basically, creating an unsure envrionment that kills confidence in the private sector and causes business owners and operators to be wary about expanding, spending money.
 
apdst said:
The drilling moratorium.

Obamacare.

Dodd-Frank Act.

Threats of raising taxes on corporations.

Constant threats of more government regulations that will create more overhead for corporations.

Basically, creating an unsure envrionment that kills confidence in the private sector and causes business owners and operators to be wary about expanding, spending money.
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60 deepwater drilling permits were issued for the Gulf of Mexico last November.
 
apdst said:
How about the government stop stifling private sector job creation and see what happens, first?
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WTF are you talking about now? The private sector has added 3.7 million jobs since 2010.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
BBC:

Good news for the country, good news for the Democrats, bad news for the Republicans. What do you think? Is the rise temporary? Does it even matter politically? What is causing it?
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February 2, 2012
[h=1]U.S. Unemployment Up, to 8.6% in January[/h] [h=2]Underemployment is 18.7%, up from 18.3% in December[/h] by Dennis Jacobe, Chief Economist


PRINCETON, NJ -- U.S. unemployment, as measured by Gallup without seasonal adjustment, increased slightly to 8.6% in January from 8.5% in December, but was down from 9.9% in January a year ago.

U.S. Unemployment Up, to 8.6% in January
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Considering the Obama administration's record on Fast and Furious and Solyndra, I'll take Gallup's word over theirs.
 
apdst said:
The drilling moratorium.

Obamacare.

Dodd-Frank Act.

Threats of raising taxes on corporations.

Constant threats of more government regulations that will create more overhead for corporations.

Basically, creating an unsure envrionment that kills confidence in the private sector and causes business owners and operators to be wary about expanding, spending money.
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The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act reduced gpvernment regulations ... how'd that work out?
 
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sharon said:
60 deepwater drilling permits were issued for the Gulf of Mexico last November.
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Are they drilling yet? Or, are they worried that the government will come in and shut them down after they've spent millions of dollars in start up money?

That's what I mean by a, "lack of confidence". The offshore operators can't be confident that they won't get shut down on a whim, again.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
WTF are you talking about now? The private sector has added 3.7 million jobs since 2010.
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If the governent would have gotten out of the way, they might have created 6 million, or maybe 8 million jobs since 2010.

Let's not celebrate sub-standard performance. Please?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
The Gramm-Leach-Bliely Act reduced gpvernment regulations ... how'd that work out?
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Terribly, of course, but that does not demonstrate anything about the other types of legislation apdst mentioned.

Perhaps the point you're trying to make (by poking holes in your opponents statements one by one) is that, while not all regulations are good, not all regulations are bad either?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act reduced gpvernment regulations ... how'd that work out?
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CRA allowed the governement to force banks to make bad loans. How did all that government tampering with the private sector work out?
 
Neomalthusian said:
Terribly, of course, but that does not demonstrate anything about the other types of legislation apdst mentioned.

Perhaps the point you're trying to make (by poking holes in your opponents statements one by one) is that, while not all regulations are good, not all regulations are bad either?
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I agree that not all regulations are bad. However, when there is a regulation that forces truckstops to provide handicapped parking for 18 wheelers, there is something terribly wrong with the regulatory system in our country.
 
Harshaw said:
It doesn't do what you think, because it shows the trend reversing just as Obama took office -- i.e., before Obama had done anything to affect it.
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It shows the trend reversing after ARRA went into effect.
 
Neomalthusian said:
You're not also concerned about the unfunded nature of Medicare looking forward?

You wouldn't change anything about Social Security, income security programs, Medicaid, etc.?

Personally I feel the concern about unfunded liabilities is pretty well founded, and there is no doubt in my mind that Defense, while bloated and desperately needing to be cut, will be enough to compensate for the funding problems in our massive and growing entitlement programs.
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Social Security is a pretty easy tweak, medicare is something else entirely.My thoughts would be a Nationwide healthcare system such as the VA has.

So what say you about my thoughts on the post that you quoted?"
start by closing about half of our military bases in Europe while letting the bush tax cuts expire "
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