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House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

jamesrage said:
I support this.But I think wiring housing assistance money to the land lords bank account and the bank account of utility providers would save money.And instead of giving out food stamp cards why not something similar to wic vouchers?

House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
The House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that prohibits welfare recipients from using their government subsidy in strip clubs, liquor stores and casinos.
The measure easily received the necessary support of two-thirds of House members, with 395 voting in favor and only 27 opposing.
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Yeah but doing it the common sense way wouldn't secure nearly enough votes come election time.. :)


Tim-
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
How would they prove someone else isn't living with them and how would the agency verify it?
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Stop in? Ask where the husband is? I would think if your a married woman, or even single with two kids a simple "where is the father" is pretty easy. Or swing by unexpectedly and see who is living there
 
muciti said:
Stop in? Ask where the husband is? I would think if your a married woman, or even single with two kids a simple "where is the father" is pretty easy. Or swing by unexpectedly and see who is living there
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They don't usually do home visits for most of the entitlement programs.

With the 2nd, it's a couple that's not married, but lives together with children.
Very common and it's easy to exploit the system as such.
 
Even ignoring the nanny-state control issues that conservatives normally would be up in arms over if aimed at them, the other concern seems to be tax (read: "my") money. Ironically enough, the proposed solutions contained in this thread would actually would cause an expanded bureaucracy, and thus increased costs, to enforce.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I'd favor that over the current 'buy cigs and energy drinks - nevermind the food' - my solution to this issue is to have stores that offer goods which are all pre-approved and foodstamps would be in-store credit at these stores only.

I see more people buying that than apples and oranges. . . hence why congress and state governments have woken up and realized what's going on.

People abuse the privilidge and freedom given so it gets taken away.
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It is often human nature to percieve the bad in things more than the good. So i've got to ask, how many times did you miss all the people that are being responsible?

If you see people buying cigs then the store that you are going to is obviously not following the law. As such, report em. As for energy drinks, so what? Some people do need those in order to complete the day. I buy energy drinks every time I work a graveyard shift or stayed up all night due to kids and still need to make it through the day...does that make me a bad person? Why should a person that is on foodstamps be any different?

People always condemn those that are on foodstamps or some type of federal assistance, always assuming that they are lazy bums. Never knowing what thier actual circumstances are. For all they know that person could be working 3 jobs and need energy drinks to finish the day. For all they know that one time of buying crawfish might have been a one in a year spluge (possibly due to a birthday for all you know)

Do people abuse the system? Of course they do. That too is human nature. But there is no need to thow the baby out with the bath water. Report those people/businesses that allow people on foodstamps to buy crap like cigarette's and beer. Report those people that buy drugs via welfare money. Lobby to make changes in the market in order to bring down the prices of healthy foods and raise the prices on things like chips and pop. (because I can guaruntee you that those that are poor will buy the cheapest things over that of which is healthy every single time) Fix the system that enables those on foodstamps to buy crap. Don't punish those people on welfare just because they take advantage of something that is available to them. Because I'm 99% certain that if you were in thier shoes you would do the same thing. If you don't believe this then obviously you believe that those that are rich don't take advantage of anything....right?

Edit: With the exception of the first line the word "you" is being used generally and is not directed at any one person.
 
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TheNextEra said:
No, people don't lost the power to decide what they are going to eat. The government just has the power to tell you what you can buy with the money they give you. If I ask to eat over at a friend's house I don't tell them what they are going to serve me.

If people want to eat a filet mignon they are free to, they just have to pay for it with their money, not the money the government gives them.
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If you need help paying for food, and someone tells you what kind of food you can buy with the assistance they give you, they're telling you what you can eat.
 
jamesrage said:
I support this.But I think wiring housing assistance money to the land lords bank account and the bank account of utility providers would save money.And instead of giving out food stamp cards why not something similar to wic vouchers?

House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
The House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill that prohibits welfare recipients from using their government subsidy in strip clubs, liquor stores and casinos.
The measure easily received the necessary support of two-thirds of House members, with 395 voting in favor and only 27 opposing.
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It make much more sense to directly wire the money, and its great they are banning the use of the governments money at strip clubs and liquor stores. If somebody doesnt have their own money to get drunk then they shouldnt.
 
Kal'Stang said:
It is often human nature to percieve the bad in things more than the good. So i've got to ask, how many times did you miss all the people that are being responsible?

If you see people buying cigs then the store that you are going to is obviously not following the law. As such, report em. As for energy drinks, so what? Some people do need those in order to complete the day. I buy energy drinks every time I work a graveyard shift or stayed up all night due to kids and still need to make it through the day...does that make me a bad person? Why should a person that is on foodstamps be any different?

People always condemn those that are on foodstamps or some type of federal assistance, always assuming that they are lazy bums. Never knowing what thier actual circumstances are. For all they know that person could be working 3 jobs and need energy drinks to finish the day. For all they know that one time of buying crawfish might have been a one in a year spluge (possibly due to a birthday for all you know)

Do people abuse the system? Of course they do. That too is human nature. But there is no need to thow the baby out with the bath water. Report those people/businesses that allow people on foodstamps to buy crap like cigarette's and beer. Report those people that buy drugs via welfare money. Lobby to make changes in the market in order to bring down the prices of healthy foods and raise the prices on things like chips and pop. (because I can guaruntee you that those that are poor will buy the cheapest things over that of which is healthy every single time) Fix the system that enables those on foodstamps to buy crap. Don't punish those people on welfare just because they take advantage of something that is available to them. Because I'm 99% certain that if you were in thier shoes you would do the same thing. If you don't believe this then obviously you believe that those that are rich don't take advantage of anything....right?

Edit: With the exception of the first line the word "you" is being used generally and is not directed at any one person.
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It all comes to the most efficient usage of the money.
Buying $3 energy drinks isn't the most efficient way to use funds limited for food.

Normally, I'd be cool with some slack in regards to small splurges, but you give an inch and they take a mile.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I buy energy drinks every time I work a graveyard shift or stayed up all night due to kids and still need to make it through the day...does that make me a bad person? Why should a person that is on foodstamps be any different?
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If a person is working and uses his money to buy an energy drink it is one thing. A person who is getting free money for food to help get them nutrition they need and instead is choosing to blow it on energy drinks is a completely different thing.

Having an energy drink,or smoking, or going to a strip club ect is not in itself bad. But using money that I give you to feed your kids on it is.. There is a difference
 
Don't know about here in Oregon, but SNAP in Wyoming doesn't allow you to purchase energy drinks.

Frustrating, because mega-doses of B vitamins helped control the sedation from my mood stabilizers and the taurine made me less reliant on the benzodiazepenes.
 
Here are the current regulations: Eligible Food Items
Energy Drinks
When considering the eligibility of energy drinks, and other branded products, the primary determinant is the type of product label chosen by the manufacturer to conform to Food and Drug Administration (FDA) guidelines:

Energy drinks that have a nutrition facts label are eligible foods

Energy drinks that have a supplement facts label are classified by the FDA as supplements, and are therefore not eligible
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Viktyr Korimir said:
Don't know about here in Oregon, but SNAP in Wyoming doesn't allow you to purchase energy drinks.

Frustrating, because mega-doses of B vitamins helped control the sedation from my mood stabilizers and the taurine made me less reliant on the benzodiazepenes.
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In Oregon it should be against the law not to buy beer with welfare and food stamps. Oregon craft beers are the staff of live.
 
The GOP has certainly tackled some of our biggest problems since they swept into power in 2010:

*Passed legislation to help restrict abortions for rape and incest.

*Cut off funding for pubic radio.

*And bans welfare recipients money from strip clubs, liquor stores.


Impressive!!! Now that they have addressed the countries biggest problems, they can get back to the business of further reducing taxes for the rich and increasing military spending.
 
I love the absolutely sadistic viewpoint that some people have towards the poor. Like they deserve to have miserable lives, should work 90 hours a week just to pay their rent, don't deserve to be full members of society, and shouldn't ever be having sex so they can't have any poor babies. Anything to make them suffer for daring to be poor. Jesus would be proud.
 
Kal'Stang said:
So a person on foodstamps doesn't deserve crawfish? You have no idea what this persons normal spending habits are and yet you condemn em for buying what might have been a "splurge" the same as yours.

I absolutely hate this mentality that if someone is on foodstamps/welfare then they shouldn't be allowed ANYTHING but the most basics of basics.
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Imo, if they can afford luxuries on welfare, then they are getting too much in benefits.
 
Paschendale said:
I love the absolutely sadistic viewpoint that some people have towards the poor. Like they deserve to have miserable lives, should work 90 hours a week just to pay their rent, don't deserve to be full members of society, and shouldn't ever be having sex so they can't have any poor babies. Anything to make them suffer for daring to be poor. Jesus would be proud.
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Working 90 hours a week would likely disqualify you from State and Federal food stamp programs.
At minimum wage, that's 833.50 a week gross.

That's over $43k a year, well over the qualification standards for both programs.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
So a person on foodstamps doesn't deserve crawfish? You have no idea what this persons normal spending habits are and yet you condemn em for buying what might have been a "splurge" the same as yours.

I absolutely hate this mentality that if someone is on foodstamps/welfare then they shouldn't be allowed ANYTHING but the most basics of basics.
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Strip clubs and liquor are not necessities. If taxpayer money is used towards such ends, it is an injustice and a misallocation of funds. If one is receiving temporary assistance at the behest of the taxpayer, they should use those funds to help to try and get themselves to the point where they are no longer dependent. NOT using gov't dollars to go to the titty bar. When you are on public assistance, you have the obligation to use those dollars responsibly. I say this as a staunch liberal who is a proponent of the welfare state.
 
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there are hundreds of millions on the planet who WISH they were poor in the USA....
While it isn't a crime to be poor, it is stupid to stay poor if you have a chance to improve your situation. I know some who took govt money to go to school, and broke the poverty cycle in their families, and I know of some in my own siblngs in East Texas who consider welfare their paycheck, a salary, as tho they have a JOB.....
 
Paschendale said:
I love the absolutely sadistic viewpoint that some people have towards the poor. Like they deserve to have miserable lives, should work 90 hours a week just to pay their rent, don't deserve to be full members of society,.
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I grew up poor(poor by American standards). I have never suggested that anyone should have 90 hour work weeks or that any citizen should not be a full member of society. Personally I think you are making up B.S. because you do not have any logical explanation as to why someone receiving food stamps and welfare should be allowed to spend that tax payer aid on liquor,strip clubs and luxury foods.


and shouldn't ever be having sex so they can't have any poor babies. Anything to make them suffer for daring to be poor
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You think it is okay for some to keep popping out kids left and right when someone else is footing the bill? I am sure if someone made you personally pay for all of octomom's **** you would get tired of footing her bills.

Jesus would be proud.
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They didn't have welfare,food stamps,housing assistance,section 8 housing or any other tax payer funded assistance in Jesus's day.If they did I think Jesus would be against you using that money for strip clubs,booze, energy drinks and luxury foods.
 
James, I don't know that most people on welfare have loads of babies, do you? I'm thinking that is a stereotype and most likely incorrect. I know far too many people on the dole now from a former newspaper reporter, to an electrical engineer, to a sound engineer, to several guys who owned their own construction companies, to a corporate head hunter for mining specialties, to former manager of a gym, to a couple of farmers, to a mechanical engineer who owned his own commercial sign company and more like that. I would venture to say you and everyone reading this know far too many of the same. NONE of the people I know have had any kids since they've been on the dole and none as far as I know plan on having any. You might personally know a lot of people who have kids like rabbits, I don't.

You may have not read my earlier post regarding strip clubs and liquor, please do. Tell me how corporate tax write-offs for lavish meals, resort/golf outings and yes, liquor save you and me tax revenue. Even it all out and I'd imagine you wouldn't have much of an argument.
 
Risky Thicket said:
You may have not read my earlier post regarding strip clubs and liquor, please do. Tell me how corporate tax write-offs for lavish meals, resort/golf outings and yes, liquor save you and me tax revenue. Even it all out and I'd imagine you wouldn't have much of an argument.
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You might personally know a lot of conservatives who support those things. I don't know any conservatives who support tax writes for crap like that and I definitely do not support tax write offs for things like this. I do not support any tax write offs or any graduated income taxes. I favor flat tax in the form of a national sales tax.Poor people do not spend much money and therefore will not be paying much in taxes while rich people spend a **** load of money and therefore will be paying a **** load of taxes under a flat tax in the form of a national sales tax..
 
Paschendale said:
I love the absolutely sadistic viewpoint that some people have towards the poor. Like they deserve to have miserable lives, should work 90 hours a week just to pay their rent, don't deserve to be full members of society, and shouldn't ever be having sex so they can't have any poor babies. Anything to make them suffer for daring to be poor. Jesus would be proud.
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I have it under good authority that Jesus did not intend his rules of morality and ethics for government, only for individuals. At least that is what some have convinced themselves to be true.
 
UtahBill said:
there are hundreds of millions on the planet who WISH they were poor in the USA....
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But they are in third world nations and are because the rich takes most of the income and gives the workers squat. This is your comparison of what we should aspire to?
 
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