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House bans welfare recipients' money from strip clubs, liquor stores

MrVicchio said:
Living Wages are great on paper, make people feel good and all, but economically they are a disaster. When employers are forced to pay more for an employee then the employee's work justifies...

And people wonder jobs keep going out of country.
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You have shown no evidence that a slightly higher amount to make minimum wage a living wage would be a disaster. Can you provide historical statistics that show that our productivity declined each time there was an increase in minimum wage?

The reason companies are moving jobs overseas is because they receive tax cuts rather than penalties for doing so.

Do you think it is reasonable that the middle class should agree to decline their status to living in poverty so that we can give even bigger tax cuts to the rich who's income has increased?
 
Catawba said:
Looks to me like you are the one baiting.
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I'm sticking to the topic.
You've been the one who continuously goes off on rants about stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the thread.
Followed by, as always, something about 30 years of supply side economics, Republicans being ****ty or something generally related to those two things.

It's annoying, partisan stinkery and it really constitutes as spam.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I'm sticking to the topic.
You've been the one who continuously goes off on rants about stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the thread.
Followed by, as always, something about 30 years of supply side economics, Republicans being ****ty or something generally related to those two things.

It's annoying, partisan stinkery and it really constitutes as spam.
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I have only responded to issues or questions related to the thread. How much is this measure supposed to save taxpayers?
 
Catawba said:
I have only responded to issues or questions related to the thread. How much is this measure supposed to save taxpayers?
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No you haven't.
You jumped in going after Republicans, when this measure was approved through bipartisan support.
Then went off on some spiel about Mitt Romney.
We get it, you don't like Reagan, Republicans, Conservatives or anything involved with them.

We really do get it, this doesn't need repeating, in thread after thread.

The potential savings are unknown, but none the less, are savings.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
No you haven't.
You jumped in going after Republicans, when this measure was approved through bipartisan support.
Then went off on some spiel about Mitt Romney.
We get it, you don't like Reagan, Republicans, Conservatives or anything involved with them.

We really do get it, this doesn't need repeating, in thread after thread.

The potential savings are unknown, but none the less, are savings.
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I don't like any Republican either, but since you posted you live in a neighboring state and have kept the avatar of Sammy Davis Jr., I let you slide.

Now, why haven't Liberarians and Republicans filed divorce papers? Is it the sex?
 
Great so now ugly strippers are going to be on welfare negating the multiplier effect
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
So what's the problem then?
Congress decided to tackle a minor problem, but a problem, which ever way you look at it.
Yet you still have a problem with it.
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It will have about as much effect on our real problems as cutting off funding to public radio, and was intended to divert attention away from our real problems.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It fixes a minor problem.
A minor success, with bipartisan support, is still a success.
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Another dart thrown at the poor to divert attention away from the widest disparity of wealth since the Great Depression.
 
Catawba said:
You have shown no evidence that a slightly higher amount to make minimum wage a living wage would be a disaster. Can you provide historical statistics that show that our productivity declined each time there was an increase in minimum wage?

The reason companies are moving jobs overseas is because they receive tax cuts rather than penalties for doing so.

Do you think it is reasonable that the middle class should agree to decline their status to living in poverty so that we can give even bigger tax cuts to the rich who's income has increased?
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Middle Class isn't minimum wage bub, it's high school and bottom of the food chain wages. You don't encourage people to be better by rewarding failure.

The employment effects, on the other hand, are not only similar to the results in Table 3, but
remain statistically significant. For example, when compared with all cities, a living wage law lowers the
employment rate of the less-skilled by 2.34 percentage points, which implies an elasticity of about
−0.09.
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The employment results using the alternative control group of cities with failed and derailed (or
just derailed) living wage campaigns are similar. Separating the effects by those laws with and without
business assistance provisions, as well as by whether a nearby city has a living wage law, again yields
similar effects.
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http://ftp.iza.org/dp1566.pdf

Wages go up a little, employment goes down. Welcome to reading, enjoy.
 
Utilizing United States Bureau of Labor Statistics Current Population Survey (CPS) microdata, Dr. Yelowitz found that Santa Fe’s living wage ordinance is responsible for a 3.2 percentage point increase in the city’s unemployment rate. While the aggregate unemployment rate for Santa Fe remains lower than many surrounding areas, this is because other factors serve to counteract a portion of the living wage ordinance’s negative effect on the job market. Examining the data further, Dr. Yelowitz found that nearly the entire negative effect in terms of unemployment was felt by Santa Fe’s least educated residents. Those with 12 years of education or fewer suffered an extremely large and negative effect, while those with 13 years of education or more felt virtually no statistically or economically significant effect.These results should not be surprising. Economic research into the minimum wage has long found that the economy’s least-skilled and most vulnerable populations suffer the most under a minimum wage increase. As employers react to the higher wage floor they look for more skilled and productive employees or attempt to switch to automation where possible. Simultaneously, more skilled employees are enticed into these jobs by the higher wage rate (65 percent higher in this case). The end result is that the least skilled—people these ordinances are purportedly attempting to help—end up left out of the labor force.
For those that do keep their jobs, Dr. Yelowitz found that they end up working fewer hours than before. On the whole, the living wage ordinance reduced hours worked by 1.6 hours per week. Similar to the unemployment results, these hours reductions were felt most by the least-educated employees. Those with 12 years or fewer of education saw their hours reduced by 3.5 hours per week.
Santa Fe
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For more information on what a Living Wage really does. It hurts those you soooo claim to care about. Living Wage is a guilt driven, envy empowered tool of progressive thought that tries to further the false belief that if you just make it so through law, life will be fair.

Life is not fair. It cannot be made fair through laws. Fair is all persons having the same opportunities, not the same outcomes. You, Me, the guy down the street. We all have the same legal standing, the same rights, the same ability achieve if we so put our minds to it and with hard work, and a little luck, make our place in life BETTER.

That is true freedom, liberty and "fairness".
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Mostly the sex. :2razz:
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Well, I live down in Delaware and don't plan on visiting Pennsylvania in the near future. I'm too old to have members of this forum worring about my breeding habits, like meatball. The women that I would be attracted to are way beyond the child breeding times and the one woman, I had six kids with, didn't have kids as stupid as the people I've met on forums. My kids are adults and they better act like adults to get my approval.

The question becomes, why can't we communicate, not get personal and I'm certainly not accusing you? I'm not going to physically attack Pennsylvania, because a Libertarian lives there, nor the South with all it's Conservatives. Let's just discuss our views on issues, the differences and behave as rational adults. I like discussing an issue with people that don't agree with me much better than an add on by someone who does agree with me.
 
Gary said:
Well, I live down in Delaware and don't plan on visiting Pennsylvania in the near future. I'm too old to have members of this forum worring about my breeding habits, like meatball. The women that I would be attracted to are way beyond the child breeding times and the one woman, I had six kids with, didn't have kids as stupid as the people I've met on forums. My kids are adults and they better act like adults to get my approval.

The question becomes, why can't we communicate, not get personal and I'm certainly not accusing you? I'm not going to physically attack Pennsylvania, because a Libertarian lives there, nor the South with all it's Conservatives. Let's just discuss our views on issues, the differences and behave as rational adults. I like discussing an issue with people that don't agree with me much better than an add on by someone who does agree with me.
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Oh man, I used a source from Pen, but I don't live there.
I'm in Ga.
 
I wish I could put some pictures of strip clubs on this forum and change the minds of anyone opposing them. Pictures of the poor aren't going to be that convincing.
 
MrVicchio said:
Middle Class isn't minimum wage bub, it's high school and bottom of the food chain wages. You don't encourage people to be better by rewarding failure.
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You mean the middle class that didn't used to be minimum wage:

Census Finds Almost Half the Country Poor or 'Near-Poor'

You prefer we support a person being on welfare rather than paying him a living wage to work???

http://ftp.iza.org/dp1566.pdf

Wages go up a little, employment goes down. Welcome to reading, enjoy.
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I don't think this paper is saying what you think it does.

From your paper by the two gentleman:

"Living wage campaigns have succeeded in about 100 jurisdictions in the United States but
have also been unsuccessful in numerous cities."

"Clearly these cities are not identical to cities with living wages, because ultimately a living wage
law was not enacted."

"Some campaigns were unsuccessful because they were derailed due to state legislation or a
court ruling. Others failed due a negative city council vote or a mayoral veto."
 
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