Re: Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the opera
You are alleging that this is a conspiracy theory manufactured to support a partisan witch hunt fueled by racism? Do you have any itty bitty bit of data to support any of that?
Oh, I have nothing but data to support my argument; unlike yours, which is steeped in empty partisan rhetoric.
Working backwards, we have the long standing racism exhibited by certain elements on the right, who fervently wish to get Obama out of office. Wishing Obama to fail, wishing him a 'Waterloo', calling him and his wife all type of vile and insulting names -- the racism angle is self-evident since such vitriol had never before been hurled at a president in modern times,
even before he has a chance to implement many or any policy goals. Of course, despite your strawman I did not claim that this particular witch hunt was fueled by racism, but that it
could be a component.
The partisan element is also self-evident. Many name-brand Republicans are on record as wishing Obama -- and Democrats -- failure. While this too may be fueled by racism, the fact that they so fervently wish failure upon him -- and the country, in order to make him fail -- is again, self evident (witness the hysterical acts of Congress since the Tea Party took the reins from the GOP).
Now we have the conspiracy component, which has already been established by a few posters in this thread -- that the gun walking deal was intended, somehow, to create support for domestic gun control/regulation/prohibition. You can read those posts as easily as I, so I presume you will not deny their existence. The second conspiracy component is Rep. Issa's attempt to construct some type of scenario where Holder personally approved the ATF program and is now trying to cover that up, which is ludicrous on its face since -- despite the protestation of one poster -- the program, under various names, has been operational since 2005/2006, long before the great Satan -- Obama -- arrived on the White House scene.
Summary: a group of racist, partisan right wing nutters doing their best to bring down a black Democratic president over a program which was initiated by white Republicans.
Facts: Someone knowingly allowed a few thousand weapons to be carried across the border, in fact insisted on making law abiding gun dealers go along with the plan.
Fact: this has been going on for quite some time.
To the best of my knowledge, no one has started this witch hunt because of someone's race.
Fact: there are enough racist statements on file that make it a distinct possibility.
Many have stated here that if this is indeed the result of Bush actions, then that is the head, or heads, that should roll.
If you can get Darrell Issa to say that, I would be very interested in reading it. Good luck.
Since the powers that be would like nothing better than to blame this on someone, anyone, other than themselves, [...]
You presume that there is any blame. The reality is that it was a poorly thought out, poorly implemented sting operation that got out of hand. While some should probably have their careers short-circuited over it, and probably will once the I.G. report is complete, it has been totally blown out of proportion for purely partisan reasons.
[...] it should follow that the documents that Holder refuses to turn over as requested legally by Congress point in only one of two directions, and that is either toward himself or up.
From what I have read, it appears that local ATF managers were the ones pushing the program. Since this will not satisfy the right wing partisan goals (again, damaging Obama), they will not be interested in that fact.
All the administration has to do to put this thing to rest is produce valid documents.
Whatever documents are produced, they will be deemed insufficient.
Surely the administration is aware that if Issa and Bush walk away with their tails tucked between their legs that Obama gains 10 points in the polls. On the other hand, if the administration is found guilty, then the Republicans have the White House. Hence, the stonewalling on the documents.
Issa will never walk away. There is no guilt.
Arguing about whether or not other posters are off-topic is off-topic.
