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Holder: No cover-up in 'Fast and Furious,' no effort to hide details of the operation

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Attorney General Eric Holder vigorously denied a "cover-up" by the Justice Department over "Operation Fast and Furious," telling a House panel investigating the botched gun-running program that he has nothing to hide and suggesting the probe is a "political" effort to embarrass the administration."There's no attempt at any kind of cover-up," Holder told lawmakers well into a hearing about whether he had been forthright in responding to requests of the House Oversight and Government Relations Committee led by Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif.


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Does anyone seriously not just bust out in laughter when this clown testifies? I mean really now....


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Does anyone seriously not just bust out in laughter when this clown testifies? I mean really now....


j-mac
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They know their supporters will believe them no matter how tall their tales. Every sensible person knows full well he is lying but party loyalty now trumps all, and remains well ahead of what's in the best interests for the country.
 
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j-mac said:
Does anyone seriously not just bust out in laughter when this clown testifies? I mean really now....


j-mac
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I assure you that the only people laughing, or paying the slightest bit of attention to this issue, are hardcore conservatives. No one else gives a **** about it.
 
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AdamT said:
I assure you that the only people laughing, or paying the slightest bit of attention to this issue, are hardcore conservatives. No one else gives a **** about it.
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And the pity of it is, you might just be correct. I hope you're not.
 
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AdamT said:
I assure you that the only people laughing, or paying the slightest bit of attention to this issue, are hardcore conservatives. No one else gives a **** about it.
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Well, isn't that just a sad, sad commentary on the state of liberal democrats today? And here I have been told for years now on these boards that it is only republicans that lend such blind following in ideology.

j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Well, isn't that just a sad, sad commentary on the state of liberal democrats today? And here I have been told for years now on these boards that it is only republicans that lend such blind following in ideology.

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No, I think it's actually a pretty sad commentary about far right conservatives, that they're so ridiculously fixated on this flubbed, but well intentioned law enforcement action. It's obviously just the latest desperate attempt to bring down Holder. It's pretty transparent, which is why no one is paying attention to it. It's a witch hunt.
 
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AdamT said:
No, I think it's actually a pretty sad commentary about far right conservatives, that they're so ridiculously fixated on this flubbed, but well intentioned law enforcement action. It's obviously just the latest desperate attempt to bring down Holder. It's pretty transparent, which is why no one is paying attention to it. It's a witch hunt.
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No, it was a blunder that was being used to further an agenda within the WH concerning the 2nd amendment, and it backfired, now there is a cover up, and you defend this crap...


j-mac
 
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Some people need to take their fingers out of their ears, stop chanting la la la because this is not going away.
 
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mtlhdtodd said:
Some people need to take their fingers out of their ears, stop chanting la la la because this is not going away.
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No doubt. If this were a republican in office that pulled this crap, the calls, and vitriolic blather calling for said republican to be 'frog marched' would be all we see on these boards...Since it is Obama, we get...'nothing to see, look over here'


j-mac
 
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AdamT said:
I assure you that the only people laughing, or paying the slightest bit of attention to this issue, are hardcore conservatives. No one else gives a **** about it.
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Funny, the only people that want to disarm the entire American population, are the same that are ignoring this.
 
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mtlhdtodd said:
Some people need to take their fingers out of their ears, stop chanting la la la because this is not going away.
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It would have to have been somewhere in order to go away. :lol:
 
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American said:
Funny, the only people that want to disarm the entire American population, are the same that are ignoring this.
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The only people who are ignoring it is the folks who don't have an insane, irrational, paranoid fear that the gubmint is coming for their guns.
 
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j-mac said:
No doubt. If this were a republican in office that pulled this crap, the calls, and vitriolic blather calling for said republican to be 'frog marched' would be all we see on these boards...Since it is Obama, we get...'nothing to see, look over here'
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Hell they went after Gonzalez just for firing some attorneys.
 
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AdamT said:
No, I think it's actually a pretty sad commentary about far right conservatives, that they're so ridiculously fixated on this flubbed, but well intentioned law enforcement action. It's obviously just the latest desperate attempt to bring down Holder. It's pretty transparent, which is why no one is paying attention to it. It's a witch hunt.
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As often as he has embarrassed the president I'm thinking quietly, Democrats are hoping he is brought down also.
 
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j-mac said:
Does anyone seriously not just bust out in laughter when this clown testifies? I mean really now....


j-mac
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If government truly serves at the will and direction of the People why is the government never wrong and no one with the exception of the lowest on the food chain ever at fault?
 
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Ahhhhhhh. *refreshing intake of air. HUGE exhilerating exhale* Ahh.

I love the smell of burning towers of corruption.

Keep stoking them fires. BRING THIS CORRUPT TOWER DOWN!!!
 
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AdamT said:
No, I think it's actually a pretty sad commentary about far right conservatives, that they're so ridiculously fixated on this flubbed, but well intentioned law enforcement action.
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What the Hell was "well intentioned" about Fast and Furious? It was a government agency, at the expense of the taxpayer and domestic security, carrying out a massive illegal operation for the purposes of justifying illegal and morally inexcusable policies supported by the administration.

There's nothing "desperate" or "obsessive" about demanding the resignation of a public official who has violated his oath of office, harmed the people he is responsible for protecting, and betrayed the founding principles of our nation.
 
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Viktyr Korimir said:
What the Hell was "well intentioned" about Fast and Furious? It was a government agency, at the expense of the taxpayer and domestic security, carrying out a massive illegal operation for the purposes of justifying illegal and morally inexcusable policies supported by the administration.

There's nothing "desperate" or "obsessive" about demanding the resignation of a public official who has violated his oath of office, harmed the people he is responsible for protecting, and betrayed the founding principles of our nation.
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Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about. One, it was not illegal. Two, it did not compromise domestic security. Three, the good intention was to try to shut down the flow of illegal arms to Mexican drug cartels that, of course, ultimately peddle their drugs in the United States.
 
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AdamT said:
Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about. One, it was not illegal. Two, it did not compromise domestic security. Three, the good intention was to try to shut down the flow of illegal arms to Mexican drug cartels that, of course, ultimately peddle their drugs in the United States.
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Bull****. They armed mafia with gernades and full autos. They funded choas in Mexico. What "they" say and their intentions mean diddly squat. Their actions is all that needs to be taken into consideration. They armed mafia in Mexico.
 
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AdamT said:
One, it was not illegal.
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It violated federal and international arms-trafficking laws. They deliberately supplied arms to criminal organizations.

AdamT said:
Two, it did not compromise domestic security.
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I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that you actually believe this. I think that was a lie from your mouth. How many murders, of law enforcement officers and innocent civilians, have happened as a direct result of known criminals being supplied military weapons by the government?

I'm as pro-gun as it gets, and I've got no problem with private citizens owning AK-47s, but I want legal AK-47s for everyone-- this idea that peaceful law-abiding citizens are deprived of their lawful and moral right to own military weapons offends me, but the same government that restricts this freedom then helping criminal organizations obtain those weapons is Grade A bull****.

AdamT said:
Three, the good intention was to try to shut down the flow of illegal arms to Mexican drug cartels that, of course, ultimately peddle their drugs in the United States.
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Sure it was. That's adorable.
 
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AdamT said:
Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about. One, it was not illegal. Two, it did not compromise domestic security. Three, the good intention was to try to shut down the flow of illegal arms to Mexican drug cartels that, of course, ultimately peddle their drugs in the United States.
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If you have no idea what Viktyr Korimir was talking about then you should not involve yourself in this discussion.

Apart from a border agent being murdered by these weapons it is estimated that over 200 Mexicans have also been killed by these same weapons as well.

One, it was illegal. Two, it obviously did compromise domestic security as an American border guard was murdered with these weapons.

How can they be shutting down the flow of illegal weapons when they are actually contributing to the flow?
 
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Viktyr Korimir said:
It violated federal and international arms-trafficking laws. They deliberately supplied arms to criminal organizations.



I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that you actually believe this. I think that was a lie from your mouth. How many murders, of law enforcement officers and innocent civilians, have happened as a direct result of known criminals being supplied military weapons by the government?

I'm as pro-gun as it gets, and I've got no problem with private citizens owning AK-47s, but I want legal AK-47s for everyone-- this idea that peaceful law-abiding citizens are deprived of their lawful and moral right to own military weapons offends me, but the same government that restricts this freedom then helping criminal organizations obtain those weapons is Grade A bull****.



Sure it was. That's adorable.
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Wow, I never would have guessed that you're a pro-gun nut. :lol:

So let's go over this again. One, it was not illegal. It was a sanctioned law enforcement sting operation. Not a day goes by that LEOs don't sell drugs in order to catch drug dealers, even though selling drugs is obviously illegal ... when it isn't undertaken by law enforcement to stop drug selling.

In this case the Feds didn't supply anything that the cartels couldn't have obtained anyway. That's why they undertook the operation to begin with; the cartels were already obtaining weapons from the U.S. by the truck load. The idea was to track and eliminate the source of the existing, illegal gun trade -- to build a chain of evidence to prosecute in-place distributor networks.

Like most pro-gun folks, you are so blinded by your fear of gun control that you can't even remotely view the facts objectively.
 
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AdamT said:
Wow, I never would have guessed that you're a pro-gun nut. :lol:

So let's go over this again. One, it was not illegal. It was a sanctioned law enforcement sting operation. Not a day goes by that LEOs don't sell drugs in order to catch drug dealers, even though selling drugs is obviously illegal ... when it isn't undertaken by law enforcement to stop drug selling.

In this case the Feds didn't supply anything that the cartels couldn't have obtained anyway. That's why they undertook the operation to begin with; the cartels were already obtaining weapons from the U.S. by the truck load. The idea was to track and eliminate the source of the existing, illegal gun trade -- to build a chain of evidence to prosecute in-place distributor networks.

Like most pro-gun folks, you are so blinded by your fear of gun control that you can't even remotely view the facts objectively.
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None of that BS matters. The excuses are excuses. They gave guns to killers. Then the killers killed. Just because the wrong doing was wearing a badge or seemed "official" doesnt mean it wasnt wrong. No matter what way you want to hash it and what excuses you CHOOSE to get behind they gave weapons to killers. And they killed. This isnt a case of "Oops, we messed up. Alls well that ends well." This has no end-well, happy ending because people have already died. America got caught selling weapons. Thats all there is to it.
 
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AdamT said:
I assure you that the only people laughing, or paying the slightest bit of attention to this issue, are hardcore conservatives. No one else gives a **** about it.
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You mean that you don't give a **** that the DOJ launched an operation, that resulted in the murders of American citizens, then the AG lied about his knowledge of it, under oath?

I reckon party loyalty does trump all.
 
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AdamT said:
Wow, I never would have guessed that you're a pro-gun nut. :lol:

So let's go over this again. One, it was not illegal. It was a sanctioned law enforcement sting operation. Not a day goes by that LEOs don't sell drugs in order to catch drug dealers, even though selling drugs is obviously illegal ... when it isn't undertaken by law enforcement to stop drug selling.

In this case the Feds didn't supply anything that the cartels couldn't have obtained anyway. That's why they undertook the operation to begin with; the cartels were already obtaining weapons from the U.S. by the truck load. The idea was to track and eliminate the source of the existing, illegal gun trade -- to build a chain of evidence to prosecute in-place distributor networks.

Like most pro-gun folks, you are so blinded by your fear of gun control that you can't even remotely view the facts objectively.
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People who want to defend their constitutional rights are nuts?
 
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