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Obama campaign rolls out Square mobile fundraising platform

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The Obama reelection campaign is providing headquarters staff, field organizers and volunteers the ability to take campaign donations with their mobile phones.
Campaign personnel are being issued Square mobile credit card readers, allowing them to process donations with their iPhone or Android phones, a campaign official tells POLITICO. The rollout will happen nationwide, and involve staff at all levels.

Obama campaign rolls out Square mobile fundraising platform - POLITICO.com
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Identity theft, Illegal donations, plus groups you may not want with your personal information now getting it. Are there any other pitfalls y'all can think of here...I think this is dangerous, and suspicious on many levels.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Identity theft, Illegal donations, plus groups you may not want with your personal information now getting it. Are there any other pitfalls y'all can think of here...I think this is dangerous, and suspicious on many levels.

j-mac
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What?
How you came to that conclusion from that article i will never understand....
Please share more...
 
j-mac said:
Identity theft, Illegal donations, plus groups you may not want with your personal information now getting it. Are there any other pitfalls y'all can think of here...I think this is dangerous, and suspicious on many levels.

j-mac
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You'd probably be suspicious if Obama's daughters knocked on your door to sell girl scout cookies.

Do you have any evidence that these swipers give that person all your information instead of sending it straight to who ever actually handles the donations for the Obama campaign?
 
Awesome. The same folks who have no problem with unliminted, anonymous corporate donations are now whining because Obama's making it easier for individuals to make small, personal donations. :roll:
 
TheDemSocialist said:
What?
How you came to that conclusion from that article i will never understand....
Please share more...
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I can only share what the story said. How I come to that conclusion are questions I have about this practice. Can you provide how in the hell you would even know if the people giving the donations via this method are legal citizens?

j-mac
 
roughdraft274 said:
You'd probably be suspicious if Obama's daughters knocked on your door to sell girl scout cookies.

Do you have any evidence that these swipers give that person all your information instead of sending it straight to who ever actually handles the donations for the Obama campaign?
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The story isn't about me. Keep in on topic would you please.


j-mac
 
AdamT said:
Awesome. The same folks who have no problem with unliminted, anonymous corporate donations are now whining because Obama's making it easier for individuals to make small, personal donations. :roll:
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So you are perfectly fine giving your credit card information to say a OWS protester?

j-mac
 
How is this evil? Seriously, it's just a freaking credit card reader :lol:

Don't be so afraid of new tech.
 
j-mac said:
So you are perfectly fine giving your credit card information to say a OWS protester?

j-mac
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It rather depends who the person is. I'm thinking that the main point of this strategy is to make it easier for supporters to collect donations from their friends, family, and coworkers, rather than from total strangers.
 
Your Star said:
How is this evil? Seriously, it's just a freaking credit card reader :lol:

Don't be so afraid of new tech.
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but its a ... LIBERAL ... credit card reader and that makes all the difference for the paranoid.
 
Your Star said:
How is this evil? Seriously, it's just a freaking credit card reader :lol:

Don't be so afraid of new tech.
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It's just another example of Obama's campaign being smarter than his opponents' campaigns ... which is pretty scary to some people. :lol:
 
j-mac said:
I can only share what the story said. How I come to that conclusion are questions I have about this practice. Can you provide how in the hell you would even know if the people giving the donations via this method are legal citizens?

j-mac
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It'd be alot easier to track credit card donations for citizenship than it would cash... do you really not understand this? Every campaign already has a website that accepts credit card donations. This is the exact same thing, the only difference is that you swipe your card instead type in the numbers online.

You're complaining about something that you don't understand.
 
j-mac said:
The story isn't about me. Keep in on topic would you please.


j-mac
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The question I asked and that you were too scared to answer was completely on topic. Please answer the question...

Do you have any evidence that these swipers give that person all your information instead of sending it straight to who ever actually handles the donations for the Obama campaign?
 
Your Star said:
How is this evil? Seriously, it's just a freaking credit card reader :lol:

Don't be so afraid of new tech.
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Where'd I say "evil"? Maybe you should practice not misrepresenting.

j-mac
 
roughdraft274 said:
The question I asked and that you were too scared to answer was completely on topic. Please answer the question...
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Why don't you just knock it off? You started with an attack against me, and after that, I tend to move on because you are not the only lib replying. So try discussion rather than attempting to be more crafty than you are, and all will be fine.

Do you have any evidence that these swipers give that person all your information instead of sending it straight to who ever actually handles the donations for the Obama campaign?
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So let me get the premise of your question straight, K? So, if I, personally, don't know all there is to know about this cc swiper, and, or who handles donations to the Obama campaign, then I am to keep quiet and not ask questions...Is that where you are coming from?

j-mac
 
AdamT said:
It's just another example of Obama's campaign being smarter than his opponents' campaigns ... which is pretty scary to some people. :lol:
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So you have NO problem giving your cc info to anyone? Can I have it then?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
So you have NO problem giving your cc info to anyone? Can I have it then?

j-mac
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Why do you keep beating that strawman?
 
So shouting that the sky is falling in ignorance of the true picture is acceptable for conservatives?
 
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roughdraft274 said:
It'd be alot easier to track credit card donations for citizenship than it would cash... do you really not understand this? Every campaign already has a website that accepts credit card donations. This is the exact same thing, the only difference is that you swipe your card instead type in the numbers online.

You're complaining about something that you don't understand.
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Good God, you are especially smug today. We still haven't seen the full donations list from '08...I am betting there will be problems here too.


j-mac
 
Manc Skipper said:
So shouting that the sky is falling in ignorance of the true picture is acceptable to you?
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AAAARRRRGGGG! I am NOT shouting that the sky is falling, or anything of the sort. What? do you libs have a 'blow it out of proportion' gene or something?


j-mac
 
*Sigh* first off, let's get a few things straight here.

1. I am not screaming about this, I am asking if there are problems that someone can see arising.

2. I question if some that have replied can read, or actually know what the hell a straw argument even is, I wonder.

3. The point is simple. These readers are of (according to the story) the plug and play type, which means that anyone with a smart phone can be given one and sent out to collect. The information passes through their phone, and though I am no tech wiz, I wonder if there is a way to store the information and retrieve it later?

See, when you make a donation with your cc on a computer, it goes through something like PayPal or something similar...This seems to be giving readers, which have been associated lately with Identity theft, and fraud to people that haven't been necessarily checked thoroughly.

Now, can we have a discussion of this? Or is it just another case of people defending anything Obama even if they have to blow up the thread?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Why don't you just knock it off? You started with an attack against me, and after that, I tend to move on because you are not the only lib replying. So try discussion rather than attempting to be more crafty than you are, and all will be fine.



So let me get the premise of your question straight, K? So, if I, personally, don't know all there is to know about this cc swiper, and, or who handles donations to the Obama campaign, then I am to keep quiet and not ask questions...Is that where you are coming from?

j-mac
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You started a thread about how this could turn into voter fraud, identity theft and all other kinds of crap without any knowledge of how it would even happen or could happen.


You weren't interested in asking if the swiper could give people information, you went straight for the fear mongering message. This is easily demonstrated by the simple fact that you think using credit card swipers would increase non-citizens giving donations, when in reality that would be much easier through plain old cash since it doesn't leave a paper trail. That's why you never see the mafia guys on the tv swipe their credit card when they're buying illegal guns or paying off cops.
 
roughdraft274 said:
You started a thread about how this could turn into voter fraud, identity theft and all other kinds of crap without any knowledge of how it would even happen or could happen.
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Funny, I didn't mention voter fraud. But, in thinking about it, I guess it could eh?

You weren't interested in asking if the swiper could give people information, you went straight for the fear mongering message.
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And what the heck did you think I was talking about if not the swiper? Gheeze o petes! I think that sometimes we look for imaginary arguments that really are not there.

This is easily demonstrated by the simple fact that you think using credit card swipers would increase non-citizens giving donations, when in reality that would be much easier through plain old cash since it doesn't leave a paper trail.
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Last I knew, debt cards hold the VISA logo, and swipe just like a cc. However, you do still have a paper trail, but that isn't a problem when you consider that small donations like this are rarely, if ever scrutinized. Heck, Obama refused to give over the small donations list in his first run.

That's why you never see the mafia guys on the tv swipe their credit card when they're buying illegal guns or paying off cops.
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Television drama's? That is what you think is a true representation of real life? Really?

Look, it goes beyond the myriad of problems that can arise campaign wise, into theft.

Wireless identity theft is a relatively new technique of gathering an individual's personal information from RF-enabled cards carried on a person in their access control, credit, debit, or government issued identification cards.[6] Each of these cards carry a Radio frequency identification chip which responds to certain radio frequencies. When these "tags" come into contact with radio waves, they respond with a slightly altered signal. The response can contain encoded personal identifying information, including the card holder's name, address, Social Security Number, phone number, and pertinent account or employee information.

Upon capturing (or 'harvesting') this data, the thief is then able to program their own cards to respond in an identical fashion (via 'cloning'). Many sites are dedicated to nothing but teaching people how to perform this act, as well as supplying the necessary equipment and software.

Wireless identity theft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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And this...



j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I can only share what the story said.
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Ok...
This is what the story said:
The Obama reelection campaign is providing headquarters staff, field organizers and volunteers the ability to take campaign donations with their mobile phones.

Campaign personnel are being issued Square mobile credit card readers, allowing them to process donations with their iPhone or Android phones, a campaign official tells POLITICO. The rollout will happen nationwide, and involve staff at all levels.

The technology is a boon for canvassers and other field staff — potentially saving the campaign hundreds of hours of time processing donations, and giving field staff enormous flexibility. Moreover, it's another good example of the power of mobile technology to streamline and automate otherwise mundane — but nevertheless important — campaign tasks.

Square has been used by a handful of local political campaigns, but the Obama campaign's adoption is the first national political adoption of the technology.
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How I come to that conclusion are questions I have about this practice.
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Ok..
You did not ask questions you made accusations saying this: "Identity theft, Illegal donations, plus groups you may not want with your personal information now getting it"

Can you provide how in the hell you would even know if the people giving the donations via this method are legal citizens?
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No.
Can you prove that they are illegal?
But we have laws against non US citizens donating to campaigns...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ok..
You did not ask questions you made accusations saying this: "Identity theft, Illegal donations, plus groups you may not want with your personal information now getting it"
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Where's the supposed accusation? What I said to me sounds more like possible potential problems.

No.
Can you prove that they are illegal?
But we have laws against non US citizens donating to campaigns...
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See, that's the thing, since you already admit that we have laws against non citizens donating to a presidential campaign, and you can not verify if that would happen with these swipers, nor can you assure that ID theft wouldn't occur, nor can you say that it is 100% totally safe for those dupes that want to give money to Obama, and find out later that their credit score is now 350 because they have been paying for everything under the sun for some other activist that just figured it was too damned tempting...Then I'll be sitting here saying thank GOD I am a conservative.


j-mac
 
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