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Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

Tigger said:
He failed to comply with a Lawful and Direct Order. So far as I'm concerned that's sufficient reason to SHOOT him, nevermind taze him.
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I seriously doubt that they let park rangers have a gun. The taser was probably all she had, and she obviously shouldn't had that.
 
Gill said:
I seriously doubt that they let park rangers have a gun. The taser was probably all she had, and she obviously shouldn't had that.
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She had a baton, handcuffs, a gun and a taser. It's in one of the links here. (I posted it.)
 
MaggieD said:
She had a baton, handcuffs, a gun and a taser. It's in one of the links here. (I posted it.)
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Ahh, see that now. Thought your story was the same as the OP. Hopefully she won't have a gun the next time.

Anyone that would taser someone for not having a lapdog on a leash in an area where it was allowed a month earlier should not be carrying any type of weapon.
 
Your Star said:
"Because I said so" is not a good reason.
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I suspect that as with most News reported articles, there is more than has been stated with regards to this case.
 
Anyone who wilfully disobeys an armed law officer in the execution of her duty, deserves whatever comes his way.
 
Additional information. Looks even worse for this ranger if the eye witness is correct:

According to a Montara resident who witnessed the confrontation in the Rancho Corral de Tierra open space area on Sunday afternoon, a female ranger had detained the dog owner for walking his two small dogs without a leash.


"The man she was citing had already leashed his dogs and provided her all his personal information," Michelle Babcock said in a statement.


"The park ranger was very rude and told him he could not leave until she heard from her base," she said. According to Babcock, the dog owner repeatedly asked why he was being detained, and eventually told the ranger to cite him or he was going to walk away.


"He started to walk away and she told him that she would Tase him if he walked another step," she said. The man turned and the ranger deployed her Taser, causing the man to fall to the ground, Babcock said. "She had taken out her Taser and she was pointing at him. He said 'Ma'am, I have a bad heart. You know if you Tase me, it could be life threatening," Babcock told KTVU. "And she didn't say anything. All we hear was almost like a gunshot. Like a pop. And then he just fell right on his back."
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Officials to review ranger's use of Taser on man walking dogs... | www.ktvu.com
 
Tigger said:
When a LEO tells you to "Jump" you ask "How High?" ON THE WAY UP.
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Law enforcement officers do not have the legal or moral authority to arbitrarily detain, restrain, command, or otherwise impede people. Mindless obedience to authority figures is cowardly and idiotic.

If you choose not to, I have absolutely no sympathy for anything that happens to you. When you give that LEO a false name, address, etc.... you get even LESS sympathy from me. Hell, in her place I'd probably have SHOT the SOB rather than tasering him.
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You'd have shot him? That's insane.

Brian
 
Free_Radical said:
Law enforcement officers do not have the legal or moral authority to arbitrarily detain, restrain, command, or otherwise impede people.
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Which is part of the reason our country is headed down the toilet faster than the Titanic found the bottom of the North Atlantic.

Free_Radical said:
Mindless obedience to authority figures is cowardly and idiotic.
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It's also the basis of the form of Government (Authoritarianism) that I prefer.

Free_Radical said:
You'd have shot him? That's insane.
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Very likely I would have. What's insane is giving false information to a LEO and then expecting you're just going to be allowed to walk away.
 
Tigger said:
Which is part of the reason our country is headed down the toilet faster than the Titanic found the bottom of the North Atlantic.



It's also the basis of the form of Government (Authoritarianism) that I prefer.



Very likely I would have. What's insane is giving false information to a LEO and then expecting you're just going to be allowed to walk away.
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If you are willing to shoot an unarmed person in the back I hope someone takes your guns away (if you have any) very soon.

Cops aren't allowed to shoot unarmed people that pose no threat. Even if they run. If this was allowed then crooked cops would have tons of make believe oppurtunities to just blast people away.

If a crooked cop wants to shoot an innocent person they need to do it the old fassion way. Confescate a non-registered/stolen gun from a gang member. Shoot the innocent person then place the planted weapon in their dead hands.
 
MaggieD said:
Bob Blaylock said:
THERE WAS NO LAWFUL ORDER.

A “lawful order” would have included some rational attempt at an explanation as to why the subject was being detained, and why he should comply.

An officer of the law does not have the authority to just stop and harass anyone at random with no cause.
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He was breaking a leash law. Big whoop! But he refused to give his name and, apparently, walked away. Would you have the same gut reaction if he was found to be wanted on a warrant for murder, as an example?
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If the officer had had probable cause to believe that he was a wanted murderer, then this would have been an entirely different situation than what it otherwise appears to be. Still, the cop would have had to state why she was detaining him.

But you don't have any reason to believe that the dog-walker in this situation was a wanted murderer, do you? You don't have any reason to believe that, at the start of the incident, he was guilty of anything more than a minor leash-law violation, right?

So there's no point in even bringing up the “what if he was a wanted murderer?” point. Anybody could potentially be a wanted murderer. This doesn't give law enforcement officers the authority to stop every person they meet, and detain them long enough to determine whether or not they are wanted for anything. An officer has no authority to detain anyone that they don't have sufficient reason to believe is involved in a crime.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
THERE WAS NO LAWFUL ORDER.

A “lawful order” would have included some rational attempt at an explanation as to why the subject was being detained, and why he should comply.

An officer of the law does not have the authority to just stop and harass anyone at random with no cause.
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There was a lawful order. She told the man to not leave and she had cause to stop the man (ie the leashless dogs)
 
Free_Radical said:
Law enforcement officers do not have the legal or moral authority to arbitrarily detain, restrain, command, or otherwise impede people. Mindless obedience to authority figures is cowardly and idiotic.
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Can you imagine what this nation would be like today, if the great men who founded it had the attitude of mindlessly, blindly obeying any authority figure?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
With that witness her carreer is toast. Hope she likes being a mall guard with no tazer.
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As I stated before, I wouldn't consider her qualified even to be a mall guard. She should not be in any position where she has the ability to abuse her perceived authority again, as she did in this case.

Let her flip burgers or bag groceries.
 
sangha said:
Not true. Depending on the situation, the police can shoot at an unarmed civilian who is running away
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Sure they "can". They will then face an internal investigation where they could lose their job, possible criminal prosecution where they could lose their freedom, or at the very least, civil prosecution where they could lose all their money.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Can you imagine what this nation would be like today, if the great men who founded it had the attitude of mindlessly, blindly obeying any authority figure?
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Can you imagine what this nation would be like today, if the great men who founded it had the attitude of mindlessly, blindly allowing criminals to evade the law by simply walking away from the police?
 
Gill said:
Sure they "can". They will then face an internal investigation where they could lose their job, possible criminal prosecution where they could lose their freedom, or at the very least, civil prosecution where they could lose all their money.
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Nonsense. Very few LEO's have lost their jobs using force in pursuit of a detainee
 
Tigger said:
Free_Radical said:
Mindless obedience to authority figures is cowardly and idiotic.
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It's also the basis of the form of Government (Authoritarianism) that I prefer.
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Not this nation. Not this government.

Public servants need to know their place. This one forgot that she was a servant, and imagined herself to be the master. The great men who founded this nation knew what to do with public servants who tried to be our masters. I find it deeply shameful that my contemporary countrymen no longer have the courage to respond properly to such abuses.

A few cretins like this ranger, left hanging from trees, to stop them from being a further problem, and to serve as a warning to any other public servants who might have similar ideas, would go a long way toward restoring this nation to its former greatness.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Not this nation. Not this government.

Public servants need to know their place. This one forgot that she was a servant, and imagined herself to be the master. The great men who founded this nation knew what to do with public servants who tried to be our masters. I find it deeply shameful that my contemporary countrymen no longer have the courage to respond properly to such abuses.

A few cretins like this ranger, left hanging from trees, to stop them from being a further problem, and to serve as a warning to any other public servants who might have similar ideas, would go a long way toward restoring this nation to its former greatness.
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Public servants do not have "masters", and when it comes to LEO's, their "place" is to enforce the law
 
It's funny to me how people are just as quick to stack up against law enforcement in these situations. How many of you know a law enforcement officer? If you do ask them how often they deploy a taser in an average week. I can tell you it's certainly not tasermageddon like the news would have you believe.

I've been tased at least 8 times by a law enforcement grade taser ( training) when it's over it's over. It's not that big of a deal. ( sure it can be abused but so can anything else).

If the person being detained is larger/ more powerful than the officer it makes sense they would be more likely to use a taser to gain compliance than try to go toe to toe with someone that could man handle them.


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