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NAVY SEALS night-time raid

I know why they were there. I also know she chose to leave the United States, take a job with a Danish company and then to accept a position in Somalia for that company. She should have known the risks, and therefore took the chances herself. It is not the duty of the US Military to go and retreive every American Citizen too ****ing stupid to stay where they belong and not get themselves in trouble.

"She" being the prime focus for you, eh?

By your view here we could say, "a soldier volunteers to join the forces and so when he's stupid enough to get caught while on a mission we shouldnt' lift a finger to help and rescue him - he shouldn't have volunteered if he didn't want to risk being MIA"

LOL - oh please :roll:
 
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"She" being the prime focus for you, eh?

Nope. I would have been just as against the SEALs, Rangers, Delta, etc... being sent in to get the guys out of Iran as I am about this mission. The focus here is CIVILIANS first and that they CHOSE to be there secondly.

By your view here we could say, "a soldier volunteers to join the forces and so when he's stupid enough to get caught while on a mission we shouldnt' lift a finger to help and rescue him - he shouldn't have volunteered if he didn't want to risk being MIA"

Nope. There is a duty to try and rescue military personnel. There is no duty for the military to rescue stupid civilians. The exception being the US Coast Guard.
 
Great job by a bunch of amazing men. I've had the honor of meeting several SEALs and former SEALs over the years and they are truly the cream of the crop when it comes to what they do. Very glad they all came home in one piece.

On the other hand, I am TOTALLY against using US Military personnel to go rescuing American (and especially foreign) civilians who are too stupid to stay out of harms way. Somalia is NOT a tourist destination or a safe place for Westerners to work. I would have to bet the US State Department probably suggests AGAINST US citizens traveling there for any reason. This woman chose to ignore that basic common sense. They should have let her rot.

Ah yes, compassionate conservatism rears its head. I'm sure you would have felt exactly the same way had it been your daughter. The woman was an aid worker. J
 
Let's see here...Somali pirates kidnap a couple, and we should call that....what?

I take it from your response to my complimenting our military personnel that you either support the pirates and so do not consider what they were doing an act of terror, or you are one of the people who thrive on confrontation...either way your reply deserves no respect, and has received none.
Im very much in favor of the action and have always given props to the pres for fighting terrorism. However...piracy is NOT 'terrorism', it is a criminal act. Irrelevant with regard to the appropriate use of the Seals...but not terrorism.
 
I haven't heard anything from Joe Biden lately that I could whole-heartedly agree with. But this? This is good stuff:

It takes your breath away, their capacity and their bravery,' Vice President Biden told ABC. 'These guys and women are amazing.

Agreed.
 
Ah yes, compassionate conservatism rears its head. I'm sure you would have felt exactly the same way had it been your daughter. The woman was an aid worker. J

Once she decided to leave the United States she would no longer have been my daughter, so it wouldn't have made any difference to me. In my mind Conservatism is not a compassionate ideal. It's based on Right and Wrong, a Black v White concept, not compassion.
 
There don't seem to be too many posts praising the President's outstanding leadership in ordering this action. Well done to the Navy Seals indeed! But congrats to President Obama too. After the Black Hawk Down incident the decision had to take cojones.
 
Great job by a bunch of amazing men. I've had the honor of meeting several SEALs and former SEALs over the years and they are truly the cream of the crop when it comes to what they do. Very glad they all came home in one piece.

On the other hand, I am TOTALLY against using US Military personnel to go rescuing American (and especially foreign) civilians who are too stupid to stay out of harms way. Somalia is NOT a tourist destination or a safe place for Westerners to work. I would have to bet the US State Department probably suggests AGAINST US citizens traveling there for any reason. This woman chose to ignore that basic common sense. They should have let her rot.

The vile, ignorant crap you spew all over DP might make one think you are completely out of touch with reality.

You aren't even close to having the facts straight about the kidnap victims.
 
Truly, an amazing group of people...worthy of the term Hero. This is the type of action we should be taking to thwart terrorism, not invading countries.

We should Blackhawk the Iranian govenment?
 
One just has to love the hypocrisy of your so called pro-life position.

Nothing in the term pro-life has anything to do with rescuing civilian dumb-asses who go to countries hostile to Americans. The only thing pro-life has to do with is the opposition to legal abortion.Amazing how no one jumps on a pro-abortionist for being a hypocrite for supporting infringements on the 2nd amendment in a 2nd amendment thread.

Pro-life | Define Pro-life at Dictionary.com
opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life.
 
Once she decided to leave the United States she would no longer have been my daughter, so it wouldn't have made any difference to me. In my mind Conservatism is not a compassionate ideal. It's based on Right and Wrong, a Black v White concept, not compassion.

You successfully topped yourself with a comment more vile and despicable than the last.
 
You aren't even close to having the facts straight about the kidnap victims.

What am I missing, hazelnut? She's an American citizen who apparently doesn't want to spend any time in the United States. The fact that she's some fruity, crunch, missionary/humanitarian type does not give her any more value in my mind than any other American who chooses to step foot outside the borders of the USA. Nor does the fact that her health was failing. So, what part of this am I missing?

You successfully topped yourself with a comment more vile and despicable than the last.

Nice to know that honesty is now portrayed as vileness and despicability.
 
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Good job to the SEALS but Americans civilian who go to countries hostile to Americans should not get any help what so ever.

You're exactly right james.
 
You didn't comment about it :shrug: god, yes let's not talk about anything else, here.

I see nothing wrong with discussing our overall military strategy when our military does something good. That's like suggesting we don't talk about general business practices when a business in general donates money to a charity. Are we on a debate forum of what?

Anyway - obviously I think they did a great job and obviously I don't see the reason to cap the conversation at that. I will point out that Buchanan wasn't the only one rescued - Thisted was rescued to . . . sexism and ageism in action. :roll: (there - a jab at the media who was slanted at the writing of their article title to omit him)
Okay fine, let's talk about the Bush war strategy and how we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan. Please step up and rehash that for me. I haven't heard about it enough, I need a refresher. Go ahead the floor is yours.........
 
Okay fine, let's talk about the Bush war strategy and how we shouldn't have gone into Afghanistan. Please step up and rehash that for me. I haven't heard about it enough, I need a refresher. Go ahead the floor is yours.........

I don't agree with everything tecoyah and Auntie had to say, but I believe the current debate should be about the effectiveness of counter-terrorism vs. counter-insurgency.
 
Well done to our Navy SEAL team 6, another successful mission. Thank you for bravely putting your life's in danger for our freedom and welfare.

Not trying to take away from this event. President Obama released a statement shortly after The State of the House Address.

"As Commander-in-Chief, I could not be prouder of the troops who carried out this mission, and the dedicated professionals who supported their efforts," Obama said in a statement released by the White House.

He goes on to state "The United States will not tolerate the abduction of our people, and will spare no effort to secure the safety of our citizens and to bring their captors to justice."

So President Obama..... What about our Mexican Border? We all know that drugs and drug money help fund this country, but when is enough enough. How can we feel safe as American Citizens when thousands are crossing our borders illegally? How can we feel safe when thousands are dying and becoming victims to the violence of drug cartels? Talk is cheap, we need to act, we need to do something! :2usflag:
 
Obama is undeniably the worst POTUS to ever serve this great nation and I give him credit for accomplishing nothing good since he has been in office until now, including the Bin Ladin mission which had been a military objective since long before he was even sworn in.

The initiative to OK this rescue is what strong leadership looks like__Well done on this one Obama and a big HIP-HIP-HOORAH for our amazing US Special Forces and welcome home Jessica and Poul, even though your ignorant butts shouldn't have been in somalia to begin with.
 
I am with Tigger on this. Good job to the SEALS but Americans civilian who go to countries hostile to Americans should not get any help what so ever.

Sour grapes because you can't afford to travel abroad?

Just wondering...
 
What am I missing, hazelnut? She's an American citizen who apparently doesn't want to spend any time in the United States. The fact that she's some fruity, crunch, missionary/humanitarian type does not give her any more value in my mind than any other American who chooses to step foot outside the borders of the USA. Nor does the fact that her health was failing. So, what part of this am I missing?

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despicability.

Is not a word.
 
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Tigger
In my mind Conservatism is not a compassionate ideal. It's based on Right and Wrong, a Black v White concept, not compassion.
You successfully topped yourself with a comment more vile and despicable than the last.
In all fairness Hazl, isn't that how you view conservatism too? I know that's how it often appears to me.
 
In other words, you don't have any significant response to what I'm supposedly "missing" in all of this. You just can't believe that anyone would actually expect American citizens to understand that once they leave the safety and comfort of the United States that they should not expect the US Military to come riding to their rescue the moment they get themselves in trouble simply because they're US Citizens. Sorry, that's not what the US Military was intended to be used for.
 
In all fairness Hazl, isn't that how you view conservatism too? I know that's how it often appears to me.

What he didn't like was my honest announcement that if a child of mine chose to go against my wishes, I'd abandon them to their own devices.
 
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